Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

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CO ($22.95)
Button ($56.35)
SB ($25)
Hero ($61.90)
UTG ($15.85)
UTG+1 ($46.50)
MP1 ($33)
MP2 ($20.75)
MP3 ($27.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , . UTG posts a blind of $0.50.
4 folds, CO checks, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.25, UTG (poster) calls $2.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($6.75) , , (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $5.5, Hero raises to $14, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $17.75

Results in white below:
Hero doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins $17.75.

I checked for a couple of reasons:

1) metagame. Im really trying to improve my ability to mix it up. If Im ever going to be passive with a missed AK, i need to be passive when i hit.

2) his stack is pretty small, i wanted it all

3) I know this guy, I have about 2000 hands with him, he has WEPS/FPS.

Now given this read, I think I played this incorrectly. This should be, 100%, a check/call, check /call, right? Sorry if this hand is boring/uninteresting. I know that Im definitely losing value in various instances, and i think this is one of them (even though I only lost a happy meal or two). Now, if he's deeper, Im okay with this play or just a straight lead, but given his stack, even if a scare card comes on teh turn, im committed...

okay, thoughts, etc... thanks in advance, etc...

What does WEPS mean?

Check/call, check/call if he is agro.

Bet/call if he is passive.

Im sure you've encountered people with WEPs before... Win Every Pot syndrome.

i think hero need to lead the flop when we 3 bet pre. if we miss here are you still going to lead?

Thinking about it some more I like leading out better.

If this guy has to win every pot, then leading out will give him a chance to raise all in on the flop as a bluff. I mean, if he has nothing, he has to raise in order to win right?

If you decided you wanted to check for 'metagame', playing made hands passive once in a while, then check/raising is not the best way to do it.

I think bet/call > check/raise> check/call

I dont think he tries to win it if i lead. He bets every check to him, i dont think he'd put his stack in on a bluff. I could be wrong. Dont know, maybe I need to play a few k hands more than him. His stack size makes the hand harder to play imo

i really think you should lead here and hope he raises, maybe I am wrong. Check raising after three betting looks REALLY strong though.

I like it. This one of the things I acutally notice in players too. (The constant urge to fire a missile at every checked through pot).

This one is kinda suited for a check-call play.

Because when Hero check-calls here, villain may just put Hero on a flushdraw.
So villain may hope to rep protecting his hand on any non club flop and fire again.

On 2nd thought it just kinda screams "Big hand" then, given the three-bet

it does indeed, hero needs to lead this flop

everyone realizes that UTG has $14 to start the hand, right?

That is because every moron on earth thinks that a check always means you are stone weak.

Sometimes I hate it, but sometimes when (for example) I cbet AK on a QJx board and get to check behind on the turn and hit that beautiful 10, and the guy insta-pots, it's really nice

As for the hand, I check call and then c/r the turn. The guy has no money, so when you crai him, it looks super strong.

This shouldn't really be a consideration at all at this level imo, you're just never going to get enough(if any) +EV metagame value to make it right to play your hands sub optimaly.



I think is probably a key point i agree with.

Btw, i think the converter messed up somewhere, i an only see two players calling pre yet their seem to be 3 on the flop.

Everyone keeps saying it, but...where is this 3-bet pre-flop?

They're confusing the gianormous bet size and a short stack to be a 3 bet.

For the hand itself, flop is incredibly standard, and the pf raise is a little on the large side.

i dont see how this is a larger than average pf raise. First, the converter messed up (again)

FullTiltPoker Game #5961715015: Table Far Hills - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:59:03 ET - 2008/04/09
Seat 1: imthreeputt ($22.95)
Seat 2: dbrill ($56.35)
Seat 3: mattosrod ($25)
Seat 4: IBFT ($61.90)
Seat 5: HUDawkins ($15.85)
Seat 6: shaka1235 ($46.50)
Seat 7: spades360 ($33)
Seat 8: iambobby ($20.75)
Seat 9: rlyons21 ($27.15)
IBFT posts the small blind of $0.25
HUDawkins posts the big blind of $0.50
imthreeputt posts a dead small blind of $0.25
imthreeputt posts $0.50
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IBFT [Ad Kc]
shaka1235 has 15 seconds left to act
shaka1235 folds
shaka1235 is sitting out
spades360 folds
iambobby folds
rlyons21 folds
imthreeputt checks
dbrill folds
IBFT has 15 seconds left to act
IBFT raises to $3
HUDawkins calls $2.50
imthreeputt folds
*** FLOP *** [Kd 4c 3c]
IBFT checks
HUDawkins has 15 seconds left to act
HUDawkins bets $5.50
shaka1235 has returned
IBFT raises to $14
HUDawkins has 15 seconds left to act
HUDawkins folds
Uncalled bet of $8.50 returned to IBFT
IBFT mucks
IBFT wins the pot ($16.90)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $17.75 | Rake $0.85
Board: [Kd 4c 3c]
Seat 1: imthreeputt folded before the Flop
Seat 2: dbrill (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: mattosrod is sitting out
Seat 4: IBFT (small blind) collected ($16.90), mucked
Seat 5: HUDawkins (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: shaka1235 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: spades360 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: iambobby didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: rlyons21 didn't bet (folded)

I was SB, villain in this hand was BB, and there was a poster of a small and big blind, so preflop, before my raise, there was $1.50 in the pot. My raise was either just a bet-pot monkey raise, or bet-pot monkey + 1 BB, since I was OOP against a blind and a poster.

and i apparently only raised to $3, not $3.25, like the converter says.

I don't really even understand why there is so much debate regarding this hand?

I like everything you did. 4x BB + 1 BB for the limper preflop, check-raise an aggrotard on the flop for his remaining $8 after he commits himself to the pot with air.

It seems standard to me.

Exactly. You're more likely to stack him here if he's caught a piece by leading and letting him push with his short stack.

By check raising you've role reversed him. He now has to call off all his chips which means he's lost the advantage of pushing while factoring in fold equity which puts the decision on you whether or not you want to call off another $10+. In the future I would just lead out here. If he has a legitimate hand then it's likely that he pushes and you're in great shape.

I think its obvious here that he doesnt have a legitimate hand (results oriented, but I can say this with 100% accuracy without knowing his cards, if you're not sure why, I've made the key point about 42 times now).

I really shouldn't have posted this hand. Yes, its a lead 100% of the time if the guy has more than 28BBs, but as I said, he's not going to bluff raise me his whole stack, which is what would have been required, unless I bet, what, $1 into a $7 pot.

No... he's an aggrotard, we let him take a shot at betting since we've flopped something we're willing to felt on any street