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TrueAce13
Table has been playing somewhat loose, hero TAG. Villain has been donking his money off

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($11.69)
SB ($5.97)
BB ($4.21)
UTG ($5.32)
MP ($6.88)
CO ($5)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A. CO posts a blind of $0.05.
2 folds, CO (poster) checks, Hero raises to $0.2, 1 fold, BB calls $0.15, CO folds.

Flop: ($0.47) 8, J, T (2 players)
BB bets $0.45, Hero raises to $1.2, BB calls $0.75.

Turn: ($2.87) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($2.87) 3 (2 players)
BB bets $0.7, Hero?.

Question is should I have fired another bullet on the turn and what to do on the river
AimHigher
I would make it .25 before the flop (4 x BB + 1 for the limper). On the flop I would make it $2, you are offering him nearly 3:1 to call.

I'd bet the turn, his PSB looks like he wants to protect against the FD/SD an pair with a spade over is definitely in his range, we also don't have the As.

As played, call the river. I'd imagine he shows up with KsJx/AsJx/JT here often.
NoBBiR
I make it more on the flop, like Aim said, prolly $2. Making bets that price people off of obvious draws that they likely have on this board (by that I mean most draws will be transparent (if a Q or 7 hits, or a spade, that's a bad card and you can obv avoid paying him off with just Aces) is the best thing you can do. So long as you're capable of folding Aces to a bad turn, bet as much as you think he'll call: Maybe even more than $2.

To be completely honest, I shove the river.
Aces up > his range with that gay river bet and if he's a donk, he'll probably call. Expect KJ/J10/KQ/and most busted draws probably fold out.
ROBBBIGG
Played fine. I call river and never shove.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (TrueAce13 @ Monday, April 7th, 2008, 12:15 AM) *
Question is should I have fired another bullet on the turn and what to do on the river



Sometimes this is JT.
I think a river call is OK.
I prety much shut down when my flop raise gets called.
Sheiky
Yeah i like a bigger flop raise here on this board.

I bet the turn too, i don't really see how you can't, you're getting called way way more often by random 9's and As than you are by hands that you lose to.

River is kind of odd, and acctualy quite confusing me so i think i'd just call, raising may be better though, i dunno.
BuffDan
Since basically no draw hit and the villain bet pretty small after we showed weakness by checking the turn, we have to at least call the river. But one of the reasons we check the turn is for pot control, so I think if we are willing to raise this river and get it all in anyways, we should have just bet the turn.

In fact, since villain has less than a pot sized bet left on the turn anyways, I think we might as well put it in then, since the 8h is one of the best cards in the deck for us as it didn't complete any draws and put us ahead of JT. So in this situation, I bet the turn all in, to protect against a fourth spade and conversely save us from getting bluffed off a scary river card.
krup24
QUOTE (Sheiky @ Monday, April 7th, 2008, 1:32 PM) *
Yeah i like a bigger flop raise here on this board.

I bet the turn too, i don't really see how you can't, you're getting called way way more often by random 9's and As than you are by hands that you lose to.

River is kind of odd, and acctualy quite confusing me so i think i'd just call, raising may be better though, i dunno.


bingo

turn is a must bet imo
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (krup24 @ Tuesday, April 8th, 2008, 5:28 AM) *
bingo

turn is a must bet imo


If we bet the turn, it commits the villain and he shoves into us.
Then what?

I like pot control on this board.
krup24
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Tuesday, April 8th, 2008, 10:24 AM) *
If we bet the turn, it commits the villain and he shoves into us.
Then what?

I like pot control on this board.


i'm fine with that

this is a 9 or naked big spade like almost always
NoSup4U
QUOTE (TrueAce13 @ Monday, April 7th, 2008, 1:15 AM) *
Table has been playing somewhat loose, hero TAG. Villain has been donking his money off

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($11.69)
SB ($5.97)
BB ($4.21)
UTG ($5.32)
MP ($6.88)
CO ($5)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A. CO posts a blind of $0.05.
2 folds, CO (poster) checks, Hero raises to $0.2, 1 fold, BB calls $0.15, CO folds.

Flop: ($0.47) 8, J, T (2 players)
BB bets $0.45, Hero raises to $1.2, BB calls $0.75.

Turn: ($2.87) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($2.87) 3 (2 players)
BB bets $0.7, Hero?.

Question is should I have fired another bullet on the turn and what to do on the river


Why are you raising the flop but pot controlling the turn. These two actions don't make sense given that you have a made hand. Does that make sense? You're bloating the pot on the flop, I'm guessing to 'charge' him for a draw. But then you're checking the turn behind and giving him a free card.

I call flop, not raise, check turn behind if he checks to me, and either call a bet or bet river myself depending on what he does. I really don't like flop raise because he is shoving a ton of hands that have equity vs you but that you might currently be ahead of. (like QsJx for instance) And aces can't stand much head on this board without the As.

As played I think river is a snap call.

Mark
Acid_Knight
I would consider a small value raise on the river, but probably settle on a flat call.
TrueAce13
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Tuesday, April 8th, 2008, 10:27 AM) *
I would consider a small value raise on the river, but probably settle on a flat call.


Alright, but what would be the consideration of a small value raise on the river? If villain 3bets, then what to do?

Edit: I wasn't feeling the terrible thing, so I took that out. It sounded tooo sarcastic. IMO
Sheiky
QUOTE (TrueAce13 @ Tuesday, April 8th, 2008, 9:02 PM) *
Alright, I guess I'm terrible, but what would be the consideration of a small value raise on the river? If villain 3bets, then what to do?


The consideration of a small value raise? Hm?

If he 3-bets, it's an ezzzzzzzz fold
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