there are lots of maniacs in and out at Stars mixed in with lots of familiar faces. There has also been a recent increase in foreign players (German I think?) I don't know if they just opened the door to a new region or offered them some sort of incentive/ bonus or what, but it is nice to have them at the tables

every single time i try to play 1/2 its like somebody is playing a joke on me. i find a table with a bunch of people who don't even play plo8. i get them all whipped up. and then i lose.

Full Tilt Poker Game #11099081303: Table Koyre (edu, 6 max) - $1/$2 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 10:56:59 ET - 2009/03/12
Seat 2: murless22 ($169)
Seat 3: AW2868 ($375.85)
Seat 4: derkraemer ($94.50)
Seat 5: thelin86 ($48.10)
Seat 6: antistuff ($597.80)
thelin86: omg
antistuff posts the small blind of $1
murless22 posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to antistuff [3c As Jh Ac]
thelin86: im so lucky
AW2868 folds
derkraemer calls $2
thelin86 folds
antistuff raises to $8
murless22 folds
derkraemer calls $6
*** FLOP *** [4h Jd Ah]
antistuff bets $18
derkraemer calls $18
*** TURN *** [4h Jd Ah] [7d]
antistuff bets $54
derkraemer raises to $68.50, and is all in
antistuff calls $14.50
derkraemer shows [2d Kd Qs Qd]
antistuff shows [3c As Jh Ac]
*** RIVER *** [4h Jd Ah 7d] [Th]
derkraemer shows a straight, Ace high, for high
antistuff shows three of a kind, Aces, for high
derkraemer wins the pot ($188) with a straight, Ace high
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $191 | Rake $3
Board: [4h Jd Ah 7d Th]
Seat 2: murless22 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: AW2868 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: derkraemer showed [2d Kd Qs Qd] and won ($188) with HI: a straight, Ace high
Seat 5: thelin86 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: antistuff (small blind) showed [3c As Jh Ac] and lost with HI: three of a kind, Aces


WHAT THE **** IS HE CALLING ME WITH HERE?????

oh yea, the bottom end of an OESD on a 2 flush board....

SOMEBODY PLEASE SHOOT ME IN THE HEAD

Full Tilt Poker Game #11099108031: Table Koyre (edu, 6 max) - $1/$2 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 10:59:47 ET - 2009/03/12
Seat 2: murless22 ($163)
Seat 3: AW2868 ($382)
Seat 4: derkraemer ($183)
Seat 5: thelin86 ($93.20)
Seat 6: antistuff ($457.20)
murless22 posts the small blind of $1
AW2868 posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to antistuff [Kc 9c 3d 2s]
derkraemer has 15 seconds left to act
derkraemer calls $2
thelin86 calls $2
antistuff calls $2
murless22 folds
AW2868 checks
*** FLOP *** [Tc Jh 2c]
AW2868 checks
derkraemer checks
thelin86 checks
antistuff bets $9
AW2868 folds
derkraemer calls $9
thelin86 folds
*** TURN *** [Tc Jh 2c] [7c]
derkraemer checks
antistuff checks
*** RIVER *** [Tc Jh 2c 7c] [6s]
derkraemer bets $13.50
antistuff calls $13.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
derkraemer shows [6d 9d 4s 8s] a straight, Jack high, for high and 8,7,6,4,2, for low
antistuff shows [Kc 9c 3d 2s] a flush, King high, for high
antistuff wins the high pot ($25.65) with a flush, King high
derkraemer wins the low pot ($25.65) with 8,7,6,4,2
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $54 | Rake $2.70
Board: [Tc Jh 2c 7c 6s]
Seat 2: murless22 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: AW2868 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: derkraemer showed [6d 9d 4s 8s] and won ($25.65) with HI: a straight, Jack high; LO: 8,7,6,4,2
Seat 5: thelin86 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: antistuff (button) showed [Kc 9c 3d 2s] and won ($25.65) with HI: a flush, King high

and then this

Full Tilt Poker Game #11099241137: Table Koyre (edu, 6 max) - $1/$2 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 11:13:38 ET - 2009/03/12
Seat 1: Florida Evans ($220.55)
Seat 2: murless22 ($155.80)
Seat 4: mkennedy1030 ($53)
Seat 5: thelin86 ($205.75)
Seat 6: antistuff ($417.35)
thelin86 posts the small blind of $1
antistuff posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to antistuff [Ad 3h 2s Kd]
Florida Evans calls $2
murless22 folds
mkennedy1030 calls $2
thelin86 calls $1
antistuff checks
*** FLOP *** [5c 6d 3d]
thelin86 checks
antistuff bets $6
Florida Evans raises to $26
mkennedy1030 folds
thelin86 folds
antistuff raises to $86
Florida Evans raises to $218.55, and is all in
antistuff calls $132.55
Florida Evans shows [9s 4d 3s 2h]
antistuff shows [Ad 3h 2s Kd]
*** TURN *** [5c 6d 3d] [Ah]
*** RIVER *** [5c 6d 3d Ah] [6c]
Florida Evans shows a straight, Six high, for high and 5,4,3,2,A, for low
antistuff shows two pair, Aces and Sixes, for high and 6,5,3,2,A, for low
Florida Evans wins the high pot ($221.05) with a straight, Six high
Florida Evans wins the low pot ($221.05) with 5,4,3,2,A
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $445.10 | Rake $3
Board: [5c 6d 3d Ah 6c]
Seat 1: Florida Evans showed [9s 4d 3s 2h] and won ($442.10) with HI: a straight, Six high; LO: 5,4,3,2,A
Seat 2: murless22 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: mkennedy1030 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: thelin86 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: antistuff (big blind) showed [Ad 3h 2s Kd] and lost with HI: two pair, Aces and Sixes; LO: 6,5,3,2,A


-$700 and counting

edit: table broke -$662.

Holy shit ballz! the first hand is sick, 2nd one is common idiot type play, and that last one is just fkn disgusting!!!!!!!!!!

Brick the river one time!!!!!!


PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.05 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (UTG) ($4.27)
MP ($5.65)
Button ($2.17)
SB ($17.23)
BB ($1.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A , 10 , 8 , 10
Hero calls $0.05, MP bets $0.15, 2 folds, BB calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.47) J , 10 , 3 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: ($0.47) 5 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.47, MP calls $0.47, BB raises to $1.70 (All-In), Hero raises to $4.12 (All-In), MP calls $3.65

River: ($10.41) Q (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $10.41 | Rake: $0.50

Results in white below:
BB mucked 6 , A , 4 , J (Hi: one pair, Jacks).
Hero had A , 10 , 8 , 10 (Hi: three of a kind, tens).
MP mucked 7 , A , 3 , 5 (Hi: two pair, fives and threes).
Outcome: Hero won $9.91

You have my permission to be the aggressor sir!


PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.05 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($6.87)
UTG ($5.88)
Hero (MP) ($4.73)
Button ($6.80)
SB ($4.57)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 7 , 8 , A , A
1 fold, Hero bets $0.15, Button raises to $0.52, 1 fold, BB calls $0.47, Hero calls $0.37

Flop: ($1.58) 6 , 8 , J (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $1.53, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4.21 (All-In), Button calls $2.68

Turn: ($10) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($10) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $10 | Rake: $0.45

Results in white below:
Button mucked Q , J , Q , A (Hi: straight, Queen high).
Hero had 7 , 8 , A , A (Hi: flush, Ace high).
Outcome: Hero won $9.55

i actually just fold this flop.

hmmmmmmmmmm

Happy birthday Antistuff!!!

ty.

for a thought exercise 3 bet preflop and he calls and then what happens on that flop?

or how about this...

the way you played it up to the flop but change the 8 on the flop to a nine and the eight in your hand to a five.

look at the hand you posted and then these two altered scenarios and that pretty much sums up what i'm trying to accomplish with AAxx preflop.

strange line hmm I wonder what I have?

PokerStars Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.50 BB (10 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is SB with K , 2 , 9 , 10
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, BB checks

Flop: (7 SB) 8 , J , 6 (7 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, 1 fold

Turn: (6.5 BB) 7 (6 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 raises, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 caps, CO calls, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls

River: (26.5 BB) 3 (5 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, 1 fold, MP2 raises, CO calls, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, MP2 caps, CO calls, Hero calls

Total pot: $19.40 (38.8 BB) | Rake: $0.40

Results in white below:
Hero had K , 2 , 9 , 10 (Hi: straight, Jack high).
MP2 had 2 , 6 , A , 10 (Hi: one pair, sixes, Lo: [ 7, 6, 3, 2, A ]).
CO had 4 , A , J , 5 (Hi: straight, eight high, Lo: [ 7, 6, 4, 3, A ]).
Outcome: Hero won $9.50, MP2 won $9.50

nm

i feel like you are 1/4 a lot here but im not sure where/if you should slow down

so HEM omaha is now in public beta. i got myself a copy and im playing around with it and it makes PTO look like a joke. no more frozen screen waiting for things to load. no more PAHUD randomly spazzing out and deciding to not show certain players or tables for no reason.

it does some conecting to the internet before it starts or i would be nice to a few people here but i don't feel like having my copy taken away from me, sorry.

color me interested... just google it?

if you go to the HEM forums under releases there is a thread about it.

they still need some hands from some places if you're able to help them out you should be able to get a copy.

i of course don't give a damn about them and would happily send everybody here the file except that when you start it there seems to be some online trickery and i wouldn't doubt if they detected the same file coming from two computers and yada ydad yada you get the idea.

so far it seems really cool though and i can't imagine anybody serious about playing not buying a copy of it when it gets released in a month or so.

If only I could fold the 2nd nutz

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.05 BB (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) ($10.40)
SB ($2.11)
BB ($1.58)
UTG ($12.41)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10 , K , K , J
UTG calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.05, SB calls $0.03, BB checks

Flop: ($0.20) Q , K , 6 (4 players)
SB bets $0.15, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.15, Hero raises to $0.65, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.65) 6 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.35, UTG raises to $3.85, Hero calls $2.50

River: ($9.35) 4 (2 players)
UTG bets $7.86 (All-In), Hero calls $5.85 (All-In)

Total pot: $21.05 | Rake: $1

i should make a separate thread where i just post hands from 1/2 where the money went in good and i lost.

this one is a little close to bitch about though.

Full Tilt Poker Game #11447033201: Table CertifiedDon1 - $1/$2 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 4:21:48 ET - 2009/04/01
Seat 1: TOPTEN ($183.75)
Seat 2: lem-3 ($361.80)
Seat 3: StrikeR300 ($200)
Seat 4: ZORRO704 ($75.50)
Seat 5: CertifiedDon1 ($251.80)
Seat 6: antistuff ($189)
Seat 7: Azuloo ($124.25)
Seat 8: EvilMonkey58 ($106), is sitting out
Seat 9: finnswede ($98.55)
ZORRO704 has been disconnected
antistuff posts the small blind of $1
Azuloo posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to antistuff [Ad 4d 7h 3h]
ZORRO704 has reconnected
finnswede calls $2
TOPTEN folds
lem-3 folds
StrikeR300 folds
ZORRO704 calls $2
antistuff raises to $10
Azuloo raises to $34
finnswede calls $32
ZORRO704 has 15 seconds left to act
ZORRO704 has requested TIME
ZORRO704 calls $32
antistuff raises to $170
EvilMonkey58 has reconnected
Azuloo calls $90.25, and is all in
finnswede calls $64.55, and is all in
ZORRO704 calls $41.50, and is all in
EvilMonkey58 has returned
antistuff shows [Ad 4d 7h 3h]
Azuloo shows [Td Ac Jd 2h]
finnswede shows [Kh Ah 8s Qs]
ZORRO704 shows [9d 3d Kd Ks]
Uncalled bet of $45.75 returned to antistuff
*** FLOP *** [8c 8h 4c]
*** TURN *** [8c 8h 4c] [5d]
*** RIVER *** [8c 8h 4c 5d] [9h]
antistuff shows two pair, Eights and Fours, for high and 8,5,4,3,A, for low
Azuloo shows a pair of Eights, for high and 8,5,4,2,A, for low
antistuff wins high side pot #2 ($25.70) with two pair, Eights and Fours
Azuloo wins low side pot #2 ($25.70) with 8,5,4,2,A
finnswede shows three of a kind, Eights, for high
finnswede wins high side pot #1 ($34.60) with three of a kind, Eights
Azuloo wins low side pot #1 ($34.55) with 8,5,4,2,A
ZORRO704 shows two pair, Kings and Eights, for high
finnswede wins the high main pot ($149.50) with three of a kind, Eights
Azuloo wins the low main pot ($149.50) with 8,5,4,2,A
ZORRO704 is sitting out
antistuff adds $109.55
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $422.55 Main pot $302. Side pot 1 $69.15. Side pot 2 $51.40. | Rake $3
Board: [8c 8h 4c 5d 9h]
Seat 1: TOPTEN didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: lem-3 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: StrikeR300 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: ZORRO704 showed [9d 3d Kd Ks] and lost with HI: two pair, Kings and Eights
Seat 5: CertifiedDon1 (button) is sitting out
Seat 6: antistuff (small blind) showed [Ad 4d 7h 3h] and won ($25.70) with HI: two pair, Eights and Fours; LO: 8,5,4,3,A
Seat 7: Azuloo (big blind) showed [Td Ac Jd 2h] and won ($209.75) with HI: a pair of Eights; LO: 8,5,4,2,A
Seat 8: EvilMonkey58 is sitting out
Seat 9: finnswede showed [Kh Ah 8s Qs] and won ($184.10) with HI: three of a kind, Eights

8th out of 50 in $109 satty needed top 5 to get a ticket. playing in another 1 right now top 6 get in sitting with top 10 stack 34 people left

edit 31 left
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top 6 19 left

top 4 14 left

10 left

once agn 3 to go

2 now

1 more...PLEASE

yay I'm bubble boy got 700FPP for my troubles

i have 5% of somebody whose game i respect in the 1k plo8 scoop today. i even went a little over and bought a piece for $65 instead of $50 because i feel hes that +ev in it. blinds are 30/60 and hes already at 4k in chips but hes really kicking ass in the $100 which i do not a piece in so i hope he doesn't pay more attention to that one.

i really wish i had the money to play in it myself. i'm looking at the player list and all the top tournament players are playing in it but plo8 is such a weird game with such subtle nuances i don't their tournament expertise could overcome their lack of experience in it.

i think its cute that this guy is actually convinced he is a winner.

Full Tilt Poker Game #11674346526: Table Fitzgerald - $0.50/$1 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 1:10:50 ET - 2009/04/14
Seat 1: Zephyr ($98.50)
Seat 2: Ralgoth ($77.40)
Seat 3: jmc20 ($37.70)
Seat 4: Stronza ($49)
Seat 5: ChrisBrown4eva ($107.05)
Seat 6: jaxguy ($187.10)
Seat 7: jjflower ($102.85)
Seat 8: antistuff ($112.50)
Seat 9: rkatz ($61.25)
Ralgoth posts the small blind of $0.50
jmc20 posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to antistuff [8d Tc 9s Qc]
Stronza calls $1
ChrisBrown4eva folds
jaxguy folds
jjflower folds
antistuff calls $1
rkatz folds
Zephyr has 15 seconds left to act
Zephyr folds
Ralgoth calls $0.50
jmc20 checks
*** FLOP *** [Jd Qd 8h]
Ralgoth checks
jmc20 bets $1
Stronza folds
antistuff raises to $7
Ralgoth has 15 seconds left to act
Ralgoth raises to $26
jmc20 folds
antistuff has 15 seconds left to act
antistuff: cest la vie
antistuff raises to $83
Ralgoth: QQ huh
Ralgoth calls $50.40, and is all in
antistuff shows [8d Tc 9s Qc]
Ralgoth shows [Ad Jc 5c Js]
Uncalled bet of $6.60 returned to antistuff
*** TURN *** [Jd Qd 8h] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [Jd Qd 8h 9h] [8c]
antistuff shows a full house, Eights full of Queens, for high
Ralgoth shows a full house, Jacks full of Eights, for high
Ralgoth wins the pot ($154.80) with a full house, Jacks full of Eights
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $157.80 | Rake $3
Board: [Jd Qd 8h 9h 8c]
Seat 1: Zephyr (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Ralgoth (small blind) showed [Ad Jc 5c Js] and won ($154.80) with HI: a full house, Jacks full of Eights
Seat 3: jmc20 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Stronza folded on the Flop
Seat 5: ChrisBrown4eva didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: jaxguy didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: jjflower didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: antistuff showed [8d Tc 9s Qc] and lost with HI: a full house, Eights full of Queens
Seat 9: rkatz didn't bet (folded)

I was 30 EE boo hoo...

You are going to mock me on the forums?

Looks like im not the only one to ever get my money in bad or... drawing dead.

Now can we just be pals?

FullTiltPoker Game #11077003788: Table GateauOrMort - $0.50/$1 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 0:32:32 ET - 2009/03/11
Seat 1: Ralgoth ($94.60)
Seat 2: CisqoRouter ($165.40)
Seat 3: ProtekYoNuts ($310.70)
Seat 4: oneless88 ($108.55)
Seat 5: GateauOrMort ($99)
Seat 6: Dr MS ($100)
Seat 7: DougM ($138.20)
Seat 8: antistuff ($167.95)
Seat 9: thefletch27 ($68.50)
Ralgoth posts the small blind of $0.50
CisqoRouter posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ralgoth [Qc 7s 4c Jh]
ProtekYoNuts folds
oneless88 folds
GateauOrMort calls $1
Dr MS folds
DougM calls $1
antistuff raises to $5.50
thefletch27 calls $5.50
Ralgoth folds
CisqoRouter calls $4.50
GateauOrMort calls $4.50
DougM calls $4.50
*** FLOP *** [Tc 9d 9c]
CisqoRouter checks
GateauOrMort checks
DougM checks
antistuff checks
thefletch27 checks
*** TURN *** [Tc 9d 9c] [Jd]
CisqoRouter checks
GateauOrMort checks
DougM has 15 seconds left to act
DougM bets $28
antistuff raises to $112
thefletch27 adds $37
thefletch27 folds
CisqoRouter raises to $159.90, and is all in
GateauOrMort folds
GateauOrMort adds $6.50
DougM folds
Dr MS has been disconnected
antistuff calls $47.90
CisqoRouter shows [9s 3d As Jc]
antistuff shows [4d 8h Qh Ad]
Dr MS has reconnected
*** RIVER *** [Tc 9d 9c Jd] [7c]
CisqoRouter shows a full house, Nines full of Jacks, for high
antistuff shows a straight, Queen high, for high
CisqoRouter wins the pot ($372.80) with a full house, Nines full of Jacks
antistuff adds $97.45
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $375.80 | Rake $3
Board: [Tc 9d 9c Jd 7c]
Seat 1: Ralgoth (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: CisqoRouter (big blind) showed [9s 3d As Jc] and won ($372.80) with HI: a full house, Nines full of Jacks
Seat 3: ProtekYoNuts didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: oneless88 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: GateauOrMort folded on the Turn
Seat 6: Dr MS didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: DougM folded on the Turn
Seat 8: antistuff showed [4d 8h Qh Ad] and lost with HI: a straight, Queen high
Seat 9: thefletch27 (button) folded on the Turn

its funny because you don't even know what you did in that hand that was so bad.

why the hell would you c/r that flop and turn your set into a bluff? especially on a board that draw heavy. you are putting yourself into the ultimate being forced to pay off or getting bluffed off situation in a pot that you are bloating.

and as for the hand you posted there are two things i could have done differently which might be slightly better but i in no way made a significant mistake. cisqo checking his trips/boat twice is the big mistake. its like hes trying to miss as much value as he can. he may have one a huge pot this time but over time in the battle of mistakes i will come out way ahead here. i called $50 drawing dead, but getting 7 to 1 or so if its a mistake its a very small one. i will win sometimes, maybe i need a better price, but still, tiny mistake. the only thing you can say that i really did wrong was pricing myself into having to call on the turn. a raise to $90 would have been much better because then i could have folded.

two plo8 mantras to live by, here we go....

if you never shove into the nuts you are not playing well


plo8 is not about getting your money in good.

we can be friends. this is me being friendly. i've just given you advice that if you really think about it would significantly raise your win rate. and we play against each other. i should be charging you for this. ive actually stoped posting advice about plo8 on this board. if thats not friendly i don't know what is.

of course i have a nasty tone. im pissed that a) you won a hand where you were a huge dog and b- you played that hand about as poorly and nonsensically as i can imagine it being played.

Unless you have the absolute dream hand, (straight with a 2 pair or better) then I am about 43 EE if you call. More often than not, since I checked and the guy to my left min bet... your standard play 100% of the time is to pot it basically with anything and usually with nothing.

There are advantages and disadvantages of playing certain styles... If you always bet when its checked to you, I am going to CR you. If all you do is overcall, im going to bet huge. If you never bet and always call a little bit, im going to always value bet you. If you are a maniac, im going to overvalue my hands against you. Against you, and a handful of other players, I will make that play because I know you would easily do it with air.

This time, you ended up having the dream hand and I was 30EE. Most often you will just fold to my CR. You limped with an unpredictable hand and saw the perfect flop for your hand. And like I said, the reason I checked was so that you would bet with air and I could collect your donation. Yeah there are risks to over valuing hands against LAG/semi lag opponents but if you never stand up and defend yourself against someone like that, your stack will just disappear... More often than not, we both just get into 60/40s and 40/60s and 55/45s and 45/55s

And as far as my winnings... its not that much, but I haven't been playing as much as I would like. Now that I am moved into my new place and am playing to pay for my living expenses, ill probly be playing more... but my total net profits this year are about 6.2k from cash games on FTP. Soon Ill be playing more 1/2 since my BR can support that safely while multi tabling it.

so if i usually don't have anything why would you 3 bet it? to get me to fold the nothing that i'm willing to put money in with?

watch out when you move up to 1/2. the level of play increases drastically although it wont seem to at first.

edit: i'll stop being immature and bitter. we can resume talking like adults now.

ding ding ding...the gloves are off! o wait it's over already? shit I miss everything

fk that come down to the micro limits and I'll pwn both u beotches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(jk of course )

he's better than i give him credit for. i like to talk shit because i don't think he's as good as he thinks he is (and i like to talk shit). but i don't exactly want him at my table even though i'm not afraid of him.



you need to get your ass up our limits. i think you're good enough where i would even take a piece and help you out with some coaching (not entirely pro bono, like i said i would take a piece).

lol... I've been kinda pussy about it. Something about buying in for $5 and being 100bbs deep is nice not to mention I'm crushing the games on a regular basis. I'm up another hundo since the last time I talked to you. That's playing on avg 7 1/2 hrs per wk and cashing in on $60-$100 per wk. not too shabby IMHO

horray for more run bad at 1/2 juice

Full Tilt Poker Game #11742940727: Table Ruth (deep) - $1/$2 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 1:26:42 ET - 2009/04/18
Seat 1: Pantera Tigris ($342)
Seat 2: JADAN ($270)
Seat 3: sergiobenso ($302)
Seat 4: AKBONES ($319.15)
Seat 5: Tommy 2 Toe ($184)
Seat 6: antistuff ($282.05)
Seat 8: Phil X ($275.70)
Seat 9: Omsk2009 ($256)
sergiobenso posts the small blind of $1
AKBONES posts the big blind of $2
5 seconds left to act
Phil X is sitting out
Time has expired
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to antistuff [5h Ac Ah 2h]
Tommy 2 Toe folds
antistuff calls $2
Omsk2009 folds
Pantera Tigris folds
JADAN is sitting out
JADAN folds
Phil X stands up
sergiobenso has 15 seconds left to act
sergiobenso has been disconnected
sergiobenso has 90 seconds to reconnect
sergiobenso has reconnected
sergiobenso has 15 seconds left to act
sergiobenso has been disconnected
sergiobenso has 57 seconds to reconnect
sergiobenso has reconnected
sergiobenso has 15 seconds left to act
sergiobenso is sitting out
sergiobenso has timed out
sergiobenso folds
sergiobenso has returned
AKBONES raises to $7
antistuff calls $5
*** FLOP *** [Tc Kc Qh]
AKBONES bets $15
antistuff calls $15
*** TURN *** [Tc Kc Qh] [Kd]
AKBONES bets $45
antistuff calls $45
*** RIVER *** [Tc Kc Qh Kd] [Qd]
AKBONES bets $135
antistuff calls $135
*** SHOW DOWN ***
AKBONES shows [8d 7d 6c Qc] three of a kind, Queens, for high
antistuff mucks
AKBONES wins the pot ($402) with three of a kind, Queens
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $405 | Rake $3
Board: [Tc Kc Qh Kd Qd]
Seat 1: Pantera Tigris didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: JADAN (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: sergiobenso (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: AKBONES (big blind) showed [8d 7d 6c Qc] and won ($402) with HI: three of a kind, Queens
Seat 5: Tommy 2 Toe didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: antistuff mucked [5h Ac Ah 2h] - HI: two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 8: Phil X is sitting out
Seat 9: Omsk2009 didn't bet (folded)

then this

Full Tilt Poker Game #11742986073: Table Ruth (deep) - $1/$2 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 1:30:31 ET - 2009/04/18
Seat 1: Pantera Tigris ($342)
Seat 2: JADAN ($270), is sitting out
Seat 3: sergiobenso ($301)
Seat 4: AKBONES ($528.15)
Seat 5: Tommy 2 Toe ($176)
Seat 6: antistuff ($398)
Seat 9: Omsk2009 ($256), is sitting out
antistuff posts the small blind of $1
Pantera Tigris posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to antistuff [Jh Ah 9s Ks]
sergiobenso has 15 seconds left to act
sergiobenso folds
BenG2813 sits down
BenG2813 adds $400
AKBONES has 15 seconds left to act
AKBONES raises to $4
Tommy 2 Toe calls $4
JADAN has returned
antistuff calls $3
Pantera Tigris raises to $20
AKBONES raises to $68
Tommy 2 Toe folds
antistuff folds
Pantera Tigris calls $48
*** FLOP *** [Th 9h Qh]
Pantera Tigris checks
AKBONES bets $144
Pantera Tigris folds
Uncalled bet of $144 returned to AKBONES
AKBONES mucks
AKBONES wins the pot ($141)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $144 | Rake $3
Board: [Th 9h Qh]
Seat 1: Pantera Tigris (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: JADAN is sitting out
Seat 3: sergiobenso didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: AKBONES collected ($141), mucked
Seat 5: Tommy 2 Toe (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: antistuff (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: Omsk2009 is sitting out

i knew that if i kept getting it in good i would win a hand eventually

there are also two regs here and i really like them seeing me do this

Full Tilt Poker Game #11743125238: Table Ruth (deep) - $1/$2 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 1:42:21 ET - 2009/04/18
Seat 1: Pantera Tigris ($393)
Seat 2: JADAN ($202.50)
Seat 3: sergiobenso ($270.50)
Seat 4: AKBONES ($1,149.05)
Seat 5: Tommy 2 Toe ($195)
Seat 6: antistuff ($398)
Seat 7: BenG2813 ($399.50)
Seat 8: floridaman3 ($374.25)
Seat 9: Omsk2009 ($256)
AKBONES posts the small blind of $1
Tommy 2 Toe posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to antistuff [3s Ac Qd Ks]
antistuff calls $2
BenG2813 folds
floridaman3 folds
Pantera Tigris raises to $9
JADAN folds
sergiobenso folds
AKBONES raises to $31
Tommy 2 Toe folds
antistuff raises to $104
Pantera Tigris folds
AKBONES has 15 seconds left to act
AKBONES calls $73
*** FLOP *** [Qs 9d 5h]
AKBONES checks
antistuff bets $219
AKBONES calls $219
*** TURN *** [Qs 9d 5h] [Jc]
AKBONES has 15 seconds left to act
AKBONES checks
antistuff bets $75, and is all in
AKBONES calls $75
antistuff shows [3s Ac Qd Ks]
AKBONES shows [Ts Ad 5s 3d]
*** RIVER *** [Qs 9d 5h Jc] [Ah]
antistuff shows two pair, Aces and Queens, for high
AKBONES shows two pair, Aces and Fives, for high
antistuff wins the pot ($804) with two pair, Aces and Queens
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $807 | Rake $3
Board: [Qs 9d 5h Jc Ah]
Seat 1: Pantera Tigris folded before the Flop
Seat 2: JADAN didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: sergiobenso (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: AKBONES (small blind) showed [Ts Ad 5s 3d] and lost with HI: two pair, Aces and Fives
Seat 5: Tommy 2 Toe (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: antistuff showed [3s Ac Qd Ks] and won ($804) with HI: two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 7: BenG2813 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: floridaman3 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: Omsk2009 is sitting out

Holy crap, I sat down at a .02-.05 PLO8 table last night for the first time in a while and I was shocked at the terrible play. The table was very active and guys were overplaying and overcalling high only hands (and not great ones either) like it was PLO. Is this kind of thing common at the low stakes?

and the mid stakes and the high stakes

for some reason plo8 on stars has been softer as of late

It was actually Tilt, not Stars. Here's a good hand from the session. Check out what SB minraises with and then what the BB calls with.

Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.05 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($1.48)
Button ($5.86)
SB ($8.94)
BB ($1.99)
Hero (UTG) ($7.06)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 2, 6, J, 9
1 fold, MP calls $0.05, Button calls $0.05, SB bets $0.10, BB calls $0.05, MP calls $0.05, Button calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.40) A, 2, J (4 players)
SB bets $0.20, BB calls $0.20, 1 fold, Button calls $0.20

Turn: ($1) 8 (3 players)
SB bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50, 1 fold

River: ($2) Q (2 players)
SB bets $1, BB calls $1

Total pot: $4 | Rake: $0.26

Results:
SB had 5, 7, 6, K (Hi: high card, Ace, Lo: [ 8, 6, 5, 2, A ]).
BB had 3, Q, 4, 9 (Hi: one pair, Queens, Lo: [ 8, 4, 3, 2, A ]).
Outcome: BB won $3.74

Here's another one. Check out Button's preflop call.

Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($1.75)
UTG ($2.14)
MP ($5.19)
CO ($7.28)
Button ($3.56)
Hero (SB) ($6.94)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, 4, Q, 3
UTG bets $0.10, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.15, Button calls $0.15, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.52) J, Q, 2 (3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, Button bets $0.05, UTG calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05

Turn: ($0.67) A (3 players)
UTG bets $0.05, 1 fold, Button calls $0.05

River: ($0.77) 3 (2 players)
UTG bets $0.05, Button calls $0.05

Total pot: $0.87 | Rake: $0.05

Results:
Button had Q, 9, 4, 2 (Hi: two pair, Queens and twos).
UTG had 2, 5, K, A (Hi: two pair, Aces and twos).
Outcome: UTG won $0.82

All I have to say is, L-O-freakin-L. Check out these geniuses.

Full Tilt No-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($8.52)
Hero (Button) ($4.15)
SB ($1.97)
BB ($1.13)
UTG ($5.15)
MP ($1.35)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7, K, 4, A
UTG bets $0.15, MP raises to $1.35 (All-In), 4 folds, UTG calls $1.20

Flop: ($2.73) 2, 8, 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($2.73) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($2.73) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $2.73 | Rake: $0.18

Results:
UTG had 5, 3, 7, 7 (Hi: two pair, tens and sevens, Lo: [ 8, 6, 5, 3, 2 ]).
MP had 2, 6, 5, 9 (Hi: two pair, tens and sixes).
Outcome: UTG won $2.55

FYP

Eh, I don't need to be calling raises and reraises OOP with marginal holdings against this crowd.

I just stumbled over that old post branding me as a donk (well, at least not literally - retard it is ), so I thought I should reply on that. This hand is about a year old, and I don’t remember it, but I try to reconstruct what I might have had in mind. Here is the original post with the hand history, below that you will find my comments.



My comments:

1) Calling the minbet with the KJ55ss in the BB: Basically a terrible hand for Omaha 8, but I get 7:1, and since it’s pot limit, there’s such a thing as implied odds. However, folding here would have been fine, and would have been mandatory in a limit game, I guess.

2) Flop 53T with two spades, and I have middle set. Not the best of all hands, but after the SB checks, I guess betting out for half the pot is not too bad to see what’s up; I guess it’s better than a check-call. I probably put antistuff on some kind of Aceish-duceish-lowish hand before the flop, which is consistent with an early position minbet in these games, though Aces with babies are perfectly possible, too. His flatcall with 2 players to call behind him confirmed my opinion that he has the nut-low draw, possible together with a flushdraw, although he might have raised in that case. He would have definitely raised with top set here to protect against the flush- and lowdraws, unless he has something like A2TTss, a not so likely raising hand. All in all, I probably felt that I’m still in front, yet with a very vulnerable hand given this action on the flop. I probably would have folded here to a large reraise, since I am behind a nutlow + straight + flushdraw, and of course the top set. What antistuff thinks about my hand? Maybe flushdraw or top set?

3) Turn T – I just filled up. I probably felt now that I have a lock on the high, since a TT in his hand is now very unlikely, given the math and given the game we play. Raising only half the pot here – I don’t know if this is good or bad, a bit more might have been better, but I don’t know what I thought here. I probably felt, however, that my hand is well concealed, since he, too, now won’t think I have TT in my hand. He flat calls again, and I stay with my read of him holding the nut low draw.

4) River 3 – two pair on the board, a situation which in Omaha makes full houses somewhat unlikely. Yet, I have one, and I probably felt good about it, and bet out half the pot again. Again, I don’t know why I chose this size of a raise. Anyway – he reraises big, yet not the maximum, and the log says I was thinking, before I decided to just call. How confident I was regarding my hand I don’t know. But after all, what could he have? A TT in his hand – unlikely. A 33 – a bit more likely, with something like A332. But that’s basically it. Having a T3 or even a T5 in his hand is extremely unlikely given the math and the game; the quad treys scenario is basically the only one consistent with a reasonable PLO8 raising hand. So I probably put him on a bluff (people do that, you know), since he, on the other hand, can’t think I’m filled up, putting me on a busted flush / low. Given that, I probably just called because only the (unlikely) hands that beat me could call, but I probably should have gone allin in the case of the stubborn aces.

Summarizing, except from the bet sizes were I’m not sure about and the preflop call, I don’t see too many mistakes here on my behalf. Also, I don’t see too many mistakes by antistuff. Calling on the flop with his nutlow-draw + gutshot to the nut high in a potential multi-way pot was ok. He probably should have tried to take it down on the turn, since here I could have still believed the T3 scenario. The bluff on the river – gutsy play, and not unreasonable. However, also in Omaha you should give the BB some credit for having a weird holding. Regarding the “i don't care who he loses to i just want him to lose.” comment: He should care about winning from whomever, instead of caring about other people losing to whomever. Everything else is just a waste of time.

That’s my two cents – what do you guys think?

I think the preflop call is pretty bad. The implied odds really aren't that good - pretty much the only highly profitable flops for you will be quads vs. top full house or the nut straight with a heart draw and those don't come along often. You'll more often get into trouble flopping a set of fives on a low board.

The river should be a pretty easy call. Aside from T5, T3, TT, and 33 being pretty unlikely combos, the play on the preflop, flop, and turn is not consistent with those hands.

i remember this. i was cranky. i posted that here to vent. i do stand by my analysis of your play though (minus the personal insults).

as for the river in particular, if you put me on a low draw then why are you betting out? if im calling the turn with just a low draw then im obviously doing it with the intention of trying to take the pot from you on the river.