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Cappy37
QUOTE (sealster @ Sunday, February 8th, 2009, 11:35 AM) *
I'll have to take your word for it, I put in decently long sessions and play as many tables as possible so I don't really notice if a table is super nitty unless it's the biggest limit I'm playing. FPPs are a huge plus which is why I won't sit lower than .5/1 and don't get as many as I'd like there but being supernova helps a lot. I usually put in a session like 2-6 pm EST and then somewhere between 8 pm and 1 am and the games are much softer at night usually. I think after that it gets tighter at the times you play. I notice when you sit down and could easily chat but figure we've both got more important tables up. It does seem like you leave pretty fast since I've got barely any hands on you.


Most times me and you bump heads are afternoonish for me, when I've put my 2-year old down for a nap and get an hour or so in on the poker tables (on the days I choose to play at all mid-day). So yeah, you can probably view me as a hit 'n' runner, since you won't see me for more than a half-dozen orbits generally that time of day. How the heck do you get supernova? You must log a ton of hours to avg over 8k VPPs a month. Wow.

QUOTE (sealster @ Sunday, February 8th, 2009, 11:35 AM) *
In the end it's all about what you're comfortable with and think you beat. If you think the HORSE players are worse and that you can make more there then keep kicking ass playing it. I love o8 for some reason and feel like I'm maximizing my earn between the cash and fpps while staying in my comfort zone where no loss can be that bad.


Horse is usually fpp-free until you hit $1/2 anyways, but I generally find it far, far more compelling. LO8 is pretty stressfull, since I'm generally manufacturing my profit coming from behind/taking the lead in hands where I'm on complete air or backdoor draw city. I'm full of it far more often in LO8 than I am in NLHE, and that's really saying something. smile.gif

And yeah, a nice, hyper, LO8 table is the absolute nuts for fpps.
Cappy37
I had a note on this opponent: "Call light, with any four cards. Will never give up on bluff/raised turn river on air"

PokerStars Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $1.00 BB (10 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with ah.gif, 8c.gif, jh.gif, qh.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB checks

Flop: (5 SB) 5c.gif, 3s.gif, as.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: (2.5 BB) kc.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, Button bets, 3 folds, Hero calls

River: (4.5 BB) 2d.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls

Total pot: $8.50 (8.5 BB) | Rake: $0.40

Results in white below:
Button had tc.gif, 7c.gif, 9c.gif, 8s.gif (Hi: high card, Ace, Lo: [ 8, 7, 3, 2, A ]).
Hero had ah.gif, 8c.gif, jh.gif, qh.gif (Hi: one pair, Aces, Lo: [ 8, 5, 3, 2, A ]).
Outcome: Hero won $8.10
sealster
QUOTE (Cappy37 @ Sunday, February 8th, 2009, 4:20 PM) *
Most times me and you bump heads are afternoonish for me, when I've put my 2-year old down for a nap and get an hour or so in on the poker tables (on the days I choose to play at all mid-day). So yeah, you can probably view me as a hit 'n' runner, since you won't see me for more than a half-dozen orbits generally that time of day. How the heck do you get supernova? You must log a ton of hours to avg over 8k VPPs a month. Wow.



Horse is usually fpp-free until you hit $1/2 anyways, but I generally find it far, far more compelling. LO8 is pretty stressfull, since I'm generally manufacturing my profit coming from behind/taking the lead in hands where I'm on complete air or backdoor draw city. I'm full of it far more often in LO8 than I am in NLHE, and that's really saying something. smile.gif

And yeah, a nice, hyper, LO8 table is the absolute nuts for fpps.

Last year I got to supernova mid December because I was tilting too much which made me take off a lot of time throughout the year so I wouldn't blow more money. I ended in the black but am much more focused this year. I haven't played anything besides lo8 at my standard limits, except for the vip tourneys which I hate but give me a great reason to play on saturday which is good for me to get more fpps. I play as many tables as possible and so far this year I'm averaging a little above 300 vpps an hour. I put in just under 70 hours in January but will prob cut back a bit due to school. Today I put in about 6.5 hours and picked up 2100 vpps. My sessions were shitty with sets not holding vs morons but with fpps I ended down just a little so it's all good.
rvrchsrhtr
QUOTE (Cappy37 @ Sunday, February 8th, 2009, 8:19 PM) *
I had a note on this opponent: "Call light, with any four cards. Will never give up on bluff/raised turn river on air"

PokerStars Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $1.00 BB (10 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with ah.gif , 8c.gif , jh.gif , qh.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB checks

Flop: (5 SB) 5c.gif , 3s.gif , as.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: (2.5 BB) kc.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, Button bets, 3 folds, Hero calls

River: (4.5 BB) 2d.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls

Total pot: $8.50 (8.5 BB) | Rake: $0.40

Results in white below:
Button had tc.gif , 7c.gif , 9c.gif , 8s.gif (Hi: high card, Ace, Lo: [ 8, 7, 3, 2, A ]).
Hero had ah.gif , 8c.gif , jh.gif , qh.gif (Hi: one pair, Aces, Lo: [ 8, 5, 3, 2, A ]).
Outcome: Hero won $8.10


wow....NICE READ
rvrchsrhtr
QUOTE (Cappy37 @ Friday, February 6th, 2009, 7:57 PM) *
This is exactly how awesome I've run the last 24 hours:

PokerStars Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $1.00 BB (10 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 5 icon_suit_heart.gif , 2 icon_suit_diamond.gif , A icon_suit_spade.gif , Q icon_suit_spade.gif
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, MP2 raises, Hero calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG+2 calls

Flop: (9.5 SB) J icon_suit_diamond.gif , 5 icon_suit_spade.gif , 9 icon_suit_diamond.gif (4 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: (4.75 BB) Q icon_suit_heart.gif (4 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold

River: (6.75 BB) Q icon_suit_diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG+2 bets, Hero raises, UTG+2 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG+2 calls

Total pot: $14.75 (14.75 BB) | Rake: $0.50

Results in white below:
UTG+2 had 9 icon_suit_spade.gif , 10 icon_suit_diamond.gif , 8 icon_suit_heart.gif , 8 icon_suit_diamond.gif (Hi: straight flush, Queen high).
Hero had 5 icon_suit_heart.gif , 2 icon_suit_diamond.gif , A icon_suit_spade.gif , Q icon_suit_spade.gif (Hi: full house, Queens over fives).
Outcome: UTG+2 won $14.25


I would guess this has to be a spew more often than not IMO
antistuff
QUOTE (rvrchsrhtr @ Monday, February 9th, 2009, 9:35 AM) *
I would guess this has to be a spew more often than not IMO


depending on villain i might not raise that river.
Cappy37
QUOTE (rvrchsrhtr @ Monday, February 9th, 2009, 6:35 AM) *
I would guess this has to be a spew more often than not IMO



QUOTE (antistuff @ Monday, February 9th, 2009, 7:02 AM) *
depending on villain i might not raise that river.


Well considering flop was checked around *and* I'm heads up... it's close.. Capping def. a mistake on river. Guilty as charged.

What do we think of my turn lead? That might be the more noteworthy part of the hand.

antistuff
QUOTE (Cappy37 @ Monday, February 9th, 2009, 4:10 PM) *
Well considering flop was checked around *and* I'm heads up... it's close.. Capping def. a mistake on river. Guilty as charged.

What do we think of my turn lead? That might be the more noteworthy part of the hand.


can you fold to a raise?
Cappy37
QUOTE (antistuff @ Monday, February 9th, 2009, 10:20 PM) *
can you fold to a raise?


Is it profitable to? Maybe I'm just pigheaded and couldn't fathom not betting T8xx on that ragged-one-low-card flop.. much less T8xxdd.. JFC!

I think the best play here is to fire flop and then fire turn. If I get raised after doing that, I'm completely done.

I probably put him on an underfull at the time, which is retarded, since even a complete mouth breather bets that flop w/ a set. Or you put him on the nut flush... Which sux, cuz at .5/1, ace-high flush can cap that river.

Really feels to me like an example of "once you get there you *have* to get max value" biting me in the a$$, since I've become so good at getting max value in these spots with the best hand, and this is a shining example of one time where I can get in huge trouble by hitting my "gin" card in a spot where 2pr might have been best going to the river in the first place.

Am I really supposed to check 2 pair on that turn? It's a smallish pot, you have to figure you win it outright 50% of the time. Who on this planet (besides this particular villain) is checking a made straight with a flush redraw on that turn? Arrgh... I wanna kneecap the guy the more i think about this. icon_doh.gif
antistuff
QUOTE (Cappy37 @ Tuesday, February 10th, 2009, 2:10 AM) *
Is it profitable to? Maybe I'm just pigheaded and couldn't fathom not betting T8xx on that ragged-one-low-card flop.. much less T8xxdd.. JFC!

I think the best play here is to fire flop and then fire turn. If I get raised after doing that, I'm completely done.

I probably put him on an underfull at the time, which is retarded, since even a complete mouth breather bets that flop w/ a set. Or you put him on the nut flush... Which sux, cuz at .5/1, ace-high flush can cap that river.

Really feels to me like an example of "once you get there you *have* to get max value" biting me in the a$$, since I've become so good at getting max value in these spots with the best hand, and this is a shining example of one time where I can get in huge trouble by hitting my "gin" card in a spot where 2pr might have been best going to the river in the first place.

Am I really supposed to check 2 pair on that turn? It's a smallish pot, you have to figure you win it outright 50% of the time. Who on this planet (besides this particular villain) is checking a made straight with a flush redraw on that turn? Arrgh... I wanna kneecap the guy the more i think about this. icon_doh.gif


i think this hand is a good example of why lo8 isnt as easy as all the literature would have you believe.

one thing im curious about is why you didn't 3 bet preflop?

as played i do think you should have bet/called the flop.

having gotten to the turn the way you did i think that not betting would be stupid. however, you need to fold if somebody raises you. if im the button get ready to get raised by all sorts of crap you beat. against most people you are safe, but against somebody who is actually trying to read hands im not sure.
rvrchsrhtr
QUOTE (Cappy37 @ Monday, February 9th, 2009, 4:10 PM) *
Well considering flop was checked around *and* I'm heads up... it's close.. Capping def. a mistake on river. Guilty as charged.

What do we think of my turn lead? That might be the more noteworthy part of the hand.


I actually like how you played the hand the whole way (I can definitely see merit in 3 betting preflop though) The only spot I think you really muffed this up was on the river cap
antistuff
there is a 3/6 plo8 game running and i dont recognize a single name in it.

im going for it. wish me luck.
rvrchsrhtr
QUOTE (antistuff @ Tuesday, February 10th, 2009, 9:58 AM) *
there is a 3/6 plo8 game running and i dont recognize a single name in it.

im going for it. wish me luck.


GOOD LUCK MAN RUN LIKE GAWD ONE TIME!!!!!!
antistuff
+130 and then two players sat down who don't totally suck so i bounced.

rvrchsrhtr
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rvrchsrhtr
a pair of 4s is the nizzzutssss icon_biggrin.gif

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.05 BB (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($2.90)
SB ($3.11)
BB ($12.34)
Hero (UTG) ($3.58)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 3 icon_suit_diamond.gif, 4 icon_suit_club.gif, 5 icon_suit_heart.gif, A icon_suit_diamond.gif
Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, BB raises to $0.47, Hero calls $0.32

Flop: ($0.96) 4 icon_suit_diamond.gif, 8 icon_suit_diamond.gif, 9 icon_suit_heart.gif (2 players)
BB bets $0.96, Hero raises to $3.11 (All-In), BB calls $2.15

Turn: ($7.18) K icon_suit_club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($7.18) 9 icon_suit_spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $7.18 | Rake: $0.35

Results in white below:
BB had 5 icon_suit_spade.gif, 10 icon_suit_spade.gif, 2 icon_suit_club.gif, A icon_suit_spade.gif (Hi: one pair, nines).
Hero had 3 icon_suit_diamond.gif, 4 icon_suit_club.gif, 5 icon_suit_heart.gif, A icon_suit_diamond.gif (Hi: two pair, nines and fours).
Outcome: Hero won $6.83
Cappy37
QUOTE (antistuff @ Tuesday, February 10th, 2009, 1:45 AM) *
i think this hand is a good example of why lo8 isnt as easy as all the literature would have you believe.

one thing im curious about is why you didn't 3 bet preflop?

as played i do think you should have bet/called the flop.

having gotten to the turn the way you did i think that not betting would be stupid. however, you need to fold if somebody raises you. if im the button get ready to get raised by all sorts of crap you beat. against most people you are safe, but against somebody who is actually trying to read hands im not sure.


Varying my play.. 3betting in that spot without much high potential is usually suicide, esp when the 2 bet comes over a limper.. If I am up against AA, I got about the worst hand to try and crack it with lol.

Betting the flop is interesting here.. I probably usually do, but that's a huge leak to be betting out there with a backdoor low, no c/f protection, and a pair of fives. Too many stragglers to expect +EV there.

QUOTE (rvrchsrhtr @ Tuesday, February 10th, 2009, 5:43 AM) *
I actually like how you played the hand the whole way (I can definitely see merit in 3 betting preflop though) The only spot I think you really muffed this up was on the river cap


Yeah, if I just call the 3bet he turns over the ace-high flush tho... wink.gif
rvrchsrhtr
rackem stackem yackem icon_dance.gif

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (MP) ($4.78)
CO ($2.69)
Button ($4.86)
SB ($5.93)
BB ($9.26)
UTG ($10.02)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A icon_suit_club.gif, J icon_suit_club.gif, 10 icon_suit_diamond.gif, 2 icon_suit_diamond.gif
UTG calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.15, CO calls $0.15, Button calls $0.15, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10, UTG calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.90) 8 icon_suit_spade.gif, 7 icon_suit_spade.gif, 9 icon_suit_club.gif (6 players)
SB bets $0.90, 1 fold, UTG raises to $3.60, Hero raises to $4.63 (All-In), 2 folds, SB calls $3.73, UTG calls $1.03

Turn: ($14.79) 4 icon_suit_club.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, UTG checks

River: ($14.79) 3 icon_suit_club.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, UTG checks

Total pot: $14.79 | Rake: $0.70

Results in white below:
SB had Q icon_suit_spade.gif, 5 icon_suit_diamond.gif, 5 icon_suit_spade.gif, J icon_suit_spade.gif (Hi: one pair, fives).
UTG had K icon_suit_club.gif, 9 icon_suit_diamond.gif, 4 icon_suit_diamond.gif, 8 icon_suit_diamond.gif (Hi: two pair, nines and eights).
Hero had A icon_suit_club.gif, J icon_suit_club.gif, 10 icon_suit_diamond.gif, 2 icon_suit_diamond.gif (Hi: flush, Ace high, Lo: [ 7, 4, 3, 2, A ]).
Outcome: Hero won $14.09
rvrchsrhtr
I think the river is either a fold or a raise here for my villain, but I'll take the call

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($8.15)
SB ($5.22)
BB ($5.54)
UTG ($8.91)
MP ($6.08)
Hero (CO) ($7.43)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J icon_suit_heart.gif, A icon_suit_heart.gif, K icon_suit_club.gif, 3 icon_suit_heart.gif
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, Button calls $0.15, 1 fold, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.47) 6 icon_suit_diamond.gif, 7 icon_suit_heart.gif, 10 icon_suit_heart.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, Button calls $0.30, 1 fold

Turn: ($1.07) K icon_suit_heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, Button calls $0.80

River: ($2.67) 7 icon_suit_diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.45, Button calls $1.45

Total pot: $5.57 | Rake: $0.25

Results in white below:
Button mucked 10 icon_suit_club.gif, K icon_suit_spade.gif, 3 icon_suit_spade.gif, J icon_suit_diamond.gif (Hi: two pair, Kings and tens).
Hero had J icon_suit_heart.gif, A icon_suit_heart.gif, K icon_suit_club.gif, 3 icon_suit_heart.gif (Hi: flush, Ace high).
Outcome: Hero won $5.32
Cappy37
^^^ I like that river bet, because we are "repping" a busted low donk-stab so often there.
antistuff
QUOTE (rvrchsrhtr @ Thursday, February 12th, 2009, 1:27 PM) *
I think the river is either a fold or a raise here for my villain, but I'll take the call

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($8.15)
SB ($5.22)
BB ($5.54)
UTG ($8.91)
MP ($6.08)
Hero (CO) ($7.43)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J icon_suit_heart.gif, A icon_suit_heart.gif, K icon_suit_club.gif, 3 icon_suit_heart.gif
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, Button calls $0.15, 1 fold, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.47) 6 icon_suit_diamond.gif, 7 icon_suit_heart.gif, 10 icon_suit_heart.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, Button calls $0.30, 1 fold

Turn: ($1.07) K icon_suit_heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, Button calls $0.80

River: ($2.67) 7 icon_suit_diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.45, Button calls $1.45

Total pot: $5.57 | Rake: $0.25

Results in white below:
Button mucked 10 icon_suit_club.gif, K icon_suit_spade.gif, 3 icon_suit_spade.gif, J icon_suit_diamond.gif (Hi: two pair, Kings and tens).
Hero had J icon_suit_heart.gif, A icon_suit_heart.gif, K icon_suit_club.gif, 3 icon_suit_heart.gif (Hi: flush, Ace high).
Outcome: Hero won $5.32



against certain villains you can miss a lot of value if you don't try to bet the nut flush on paired rivers. a little hand reading, common sense, and the ability to fold to a raise helps also.

in your spot c/c might be better, some players will value bet you there more aggressively than others.

and of course if you are playing a nit you can c/f.

your bet looks like a blocking bet to me or a bluff to me and if i know you can fold to a raise there (and that you will pot a boat, this is a common exploitable pattern) you will get raised off the pot with air. the only thing about that here is that the type of player to do that is not going to get to that river with air, but if the hand went down a little differently this might be relevant.


sealster
God this is a frustrating game when you can't make a hand and everyone always thinks you're bluffing so you get called all the ****ing time. Even more fun when you finally make that hand and get outdrawn every single damn time. Guess stars decided instead of the cashout curse to go with the bonus curse, making sure I lost a lot more than that damn 250 and can never get into a milestone hand. If anyone can tell me how to post a graph I'd do it but I'm so inept and tilted bah. I still love this game but it blows to lose all of this months profits and then some. Thank god for fpps and booze I guess.
rvrchsrhtr
QUOTE (antistuff @ Thursday, February 12th, 2009, 9:26 PM) *
against certain villains you can miss a lot of value if you don't try to bet the nut flush on paired rivers. a little hand reading, common sense, and the ability to fold to a raise helps also.

in your spot c/c might be better, some players will value bet you there more aggressively than others.

and of course if you are playing a nit you can c/f.

your bet looks like a blocking bet to me or a bluff to me and if i know you can fold to a raise there (and that you will pot a boat, this is a common exploitable pattern) you will get raised off the pot with air. the only thing about that here is that the type of player to do that is not going to get to that river with air, but if the hand went down a little differently this might be relevant.




I could def fold to a raise there. I was trying to stay with about 3/4 size pot bet the whole way through. I think I should of bet a bit more on the end there like say a $1.95ish? This guy in this spot snap called me so I'm not sure if the "majority" of the opponents at this level notice the dif plus or minus a little bit when you're not betting the full pot every time. I don't know............ I am trying to get a bit more in to the PL side of this game and it def takes a dif mindset IMO
Cappy37
QUOTE (sealster @ Thursday, February 12th, 2009, 6:45 PM) *
God this is a frustrating game when you can't make a hand and everyone always thinks you're bluffing so you get called all the ****ing time. Even more fun when you finally make that hand and get outdrawn every single damn time. Guess stars decided instead of the cashout curse to go with the bonus curse, making sure I lost a lot more than that damn 250 and can never get into a milestone hand. If anyone can tell me how to post a graph I'd do it but I'm so inept and tilted bah. I still love this game but it blows to lose all of this months profits and then some. Thank god for fpps and booze I guess.


all I can say is this month I had my first -$100 losing session and my first $175 winning session, in the same week.

This is *not* the time to get down on yourself, there is a small army of below-average mouth-breathers storming the cash tables throwing money around like crazy because of that silly promotion. There is profitz to be made, sir!

ed note: The horse is far, far juicier. I mean.. Yeah... I've been avoiding lo8 straight simply because there's 2 regulars to every producer. It's blood from a turnip in comparison.

I'm sure PLO8 is swingin' right now thx to the bonus. smile.gif
rvrchsrhtr
this guy thought the deuce was a good card. I'm glad I bet the turn icon_biggrin.gif

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($6.35)
MP ($9.53)
CO ($9)
Hero (Button) ($5.02)
SB ($10)
BB ($2.12)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A icon_suit_heart.gif, 4 icon_suit_heart.gif, J icon_suit_heart.gif, 5 icon_suit_heart.gif
1 fold, MP raises to $0.17, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.17, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.41) 3 icon_suit_heart.gif, 8 icon_suit_club.gif, J icon_suit_spade.gif (2 players)
MP bets $0.41, Hero calls $0.41

Turn: ($1.23) 6 icon_suit_club.gif (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1.18, MP calls $1.18

River: ($3.59) 2 icon_suit_diamond.gif (2 players)
MP bets $3.44, Hero calls $3.26 (All-In)

Total pot: $10.11 | Rake: $0.45

Results in white below:
Hero had A icon_suit_heart.gif, 4 icon_suit_heart.gif, J icon_suit_heart.gif, 5 icon_suit_heart.gif (Hi: straight, six high, Lo: [ 6, 4, 3, 2, A ]).
MP had A icon_suit_club.gif, 6 icon_suit_diamond.gif, 5 icon_suit_spade.gif, A icon_suit_spade.gif (Hi: one pair, Aces, Lo: [ 6, 5, 3, 2, A ]).
Outcome: Hero won $9.66
antistuff
i think im finally a convert.

after seeing so much action going down on the nlo8 tables all the time i felt like i just had to get involved. so today im playing and im loving it. being able to overbet the turn and the river just makes extracting money from the bad players so easy. of course nobody really good is playing right now so i don't know how big of a pain in the ass a good player can be. i suspect im going to have to either get better at hand reading or stop calling people down with any four cards just because the pot is small.
Cappy37
QUOTE (antistuff @ Monday, February 16th, 2009, 7:40 AM) *
i think im finally a convert.

after seeing so much action going down on the nlo8 tables all the time i felt like i just had to get involved. so today im playing and im loving it. being able to overbet the turn and the river just makes extracting money from the bad players so easy. of course nobody really good is playing right now so i don't know how big of a pain in the ass a good player can be. i suspect im going to have to either get better at hand reading or stop calling people down with any four cards just because the pot is small.


I've been quite tempted myself.. Been having a ball lately playing NL08 sit n goes..

But honestly.. My love for the pure form of LO8 makes me skittish to cross it with the menacing form of no-limit.

The mountain trickles downhill both ways: you can extract maximum value, but those table donkeys can go absolutely nuts and put you to the test with "Any 4". Part of the reason I enjoy limit so much is my ability to outplay the majority over a period of time.. And someone can only luckbox so much from me on a fortunate turn or river.. Playing no-limit, that one retarded race can erase an hour or more of hard work.

If you are going to make the jump, I support you entirely *as long as* you mentally commit to it and won't jump out if the first 10k-20k hands don't turn out in your favor. And no, I'm not saying this cuz I think you're a n00b (you obv aren't. duh) but its the *exact same* advice I'd want someone to toss at me if I was ready to make the same jump. Now pwn some donkeys. wink.gif
Cappy37
As for my little foray into turning $10 into $1000.. I crested at $900 night before last, and got smacked pretty hard with the variance stick once again while the mad rush for 25000000000000000000 hands or whatever was in full swing.

First time since the challenge started that I dropped a full buy in on a table, $1/$2 Horse. Had a couple really ugly o8b hands where the table short stack bent over backwards to get his whole stack in asap, and my nut lows either bricked our or c/fed, and my nut high draws wouldn't cooperate.. Went from up 10 to down the full 40 in 3 hands.. Grossest thing I ever saw.

On the bright side, now that I'm playing real limits, I'm less than 50 vpp's away from Silverstar, which is good news, since those 210FPP 20man 6pay $100k sattys (that pay 6 of 20 players an $11 ticket) have been really good to me. I'm 5/10 in them so far, which is a pretty stellar way to nab $55 tourney dollars for what otherwise would probably have been a FPP Store T-shirt.

I dunno, I'm at a crossroads. I can't believe I've almost turned $10 into $1000 in 2 months, but at the same time I see myself regressing as a player at times. My style of LO8 is a fearless one, and I've caught myself too often playing it safe and limping a lot of raisable hands when I'm not having the best of days. I've been really swingy at $1/2 Horse, but a definite winner overall at $1/2 Horse. Soo many regulars, though, at the times I play. I know my ATM regulars, and I know my "blood from turnip" regulars. But there's just a ton of people I know it's -EV to sit down with in combos of 2 or more..

I'd hate to play .5/1 Horse and o8b the rest of my life, but that really seems to be where the moneys at.

As a side: I was absolutely destroyed in my 6max $1/$2 LO8 experiment. My style plays pretty poorly against a bunch of folks that play similar to me, that's for friggin certain lol.

No real point to any of this I guess, except to say that $1/2 LO8 full ring might be the nittiest tables on Stars.
rvrchsrhtr
I found the 6 max tables were exact opposite (as they should be) of the full ring $1/$2 games. If you get in there and gamble it up a bit in the early going you can really nit it up l8 and turn a profit pretty regularly as long as PokerStarz doesn't decide to kick you in the nutz over and over

on a side note weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

PokerStars Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.50 BB (10 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9 icon_suit_heart.gif, 2 icon_suit_spade.gif, A icon_suit_spade.gif, K icon_suit_heart.gif
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, BB checks

Flop: (6 SB) 10 icon_suit_heart.gif, 9 icon_suit_diamond.gif, Q icon_suit_heart.gif (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, Button bets, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls

Turn: (5.5 BB) J icon_suit_heart.gif (5 players)
BB bets, 1 fold, Hero calls, MP3 raises, 1 fold, BB calls, Hero 3-bets, MP3 calls, BB calls

River: (14.5 BB) 7 icon_suit_diamond.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 raises, BB calls, Hero 3-bets, MP3 calls, BB calls

Total pot: $11.75 (23.5 BB) | Rake: $0.40

Results in white below:
BB mucked 5 icon_suit_heart.gif, K icon_suit_spade.gif, 8 icon_suit_heart.gif, 5 icon_suit_club.gif (Hi: flush, Queen high).
Hero had 9 icon_suit_heart.gif, 2 icon_suit_spade.gif, A icon_suit_spade.gif, K icon_suit_heart.gif (Hi: straight, Ace high).
MP3 mucked A icon_suit_heart.gif, 10 icon_suit_club.gif, 6 icon_suit_club.gif, 7 icon_suit_heart.gif (Hi: flush, Ace high).
Outcome: Hero won $11.35
antistuff
QUOTE (rvrchsrhtr @ Tuesday, February 17th, 2009, 7:26 AM) *
I found the 6 max tables were exact opposite (as they should be) of the full ring $1/$2 games. If you get in there and gamble it up a bit in the early going you can really nit it up l8 and turn a profit pretty regularly as long as PokerStarz doesn't decide to kick you in the nutz over and over

on a side note weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

PokerStars Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.50 BB (10 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9 icon_suit_heart.gif, 2 icon_suit_spade.gif, A icon_suit_spade.gif, K icon_suit_heart.gif
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, BB checks

Flop: (6 SB) 10 icon_suit_heart.gif, 9 icon_suit_diamond.gif, Q icon_suit_heart.gif (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, Button bets, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls

Turn: (5.5 BB) J icon_suit_heart.gif (5 players)
BB bets, 1 fold, Hero calls, MP3 raises, 1 fold, BB calls, Hero 3-bets, MP3 calls, BB calls

River: (14.5 BB) 7 icon_suit_diamond.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 raises, BB calls, Hero 3-bets, MP3 calls, BB calls

Total pot: $11.75 (23.5 BB) | Rake: $0.40

Results in white below:
BB mucked 5 icon_suit_heart.gif, K icon_suit_spade.gif, 8 icon_suit_heart.gif, 5 icon_suit_club.gif (Hi: flush, Queen high).
Hero had 9 icon_suit_heart.gif, 2 icon_suit_spade.gif, A icon_suit_spade.gif, K icon_suit_heart.gif (Hi: straight, Ace high).
MP3 mucked A icon_suit_heart.gif, 10 icon_suit_club.gif, 6 icon_suit_club.gif, 7 icon_suit_heart.gif (Hi: flush, Ace high).
Outcome: Hero won $11.35


you're mp3......do you save any bets here?
rvrchsrhtr
^^^^^ maybe 2 on the river, but depending on villain maybe not ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'm not sure I would. How about you? Do you think you get away losing less here?
antistuff
peoples biggest mistake in nlo8 -

they are too trappy. they figure since they can just bet whatever they want they often do dumb things like wait until the river to c/r you with a set turned boat. it feels like a game filled with people who take pride in their FPS, like they care more about traping me for all my chips than getting value from their good hands.

the fun part is that even the worst players in the game don't seem to get trapped to often. if you check/call the flop, let the turn check through, and then c/r the river its pretty obvious you have a monster. at first i was suspicious people were bluffing me this way but now after playing for a little bit im confident they are not.
Cappy37
QUOTE (antistuff @ Tuesday, February 17th, 2009, 5:04 AM) *
you're mp3......do you save any bets here?


You'd almost have to... with 2 other players going nuts, how could you not? Any chance we could get the name of the BB? that's the important thing! wink.gif

rvrchsrhtr
QUOTE (Cappy37 @ Tuesday, February 17th, 2009, 1:24 PM) *
You'd almost have to... with 2 other players going nuts, how could you not? Any chance we could get the name of the BB? that's the important thing! wink.gif


ask and u shall receive........ clovis40 icon_biggrin.gif

and I'm assuming there is a bit of sarcasm in there? bb call call call doesn't bother me if I'm mp3 . I also think my check raise on the turn "could" be interpreted as I don't believe you or lets see if my small flush is good type of bet? I don't know, like you said you do see people doing a lot of weird sheot at these tables
antistuff
QUOTE (rvrchsrhtr @ Tuesday, February 17th, 2009, 2:37 PM) *
ask and u shall receive........ clovis40 icon_biggrin.gif

and I'm assuming there is a bit of sarcasm in there? bb call call call doesn't bother me if I'm mp3 . I also think my check raise on the turn "could" be interpreted as I don't believe you or lets see if my small flush is good type of bet? I don't know, like you said you do see people doing a lot of weird sheot at these tables


thats funny. he's all over 4 posting like who the hell he is.

assuming ive realized that you're not a moron after you call/3bet the turn i am just calling down if i am mp3. and maybe even if i think you're a moron depending on what kind of moron i think you are. you would have to be a really special kind of moron to take that line on the turn and then keep putting in action without the straight flush.

if this was pl and you pulled that there are certain players that i might actually fold to.
Cappy37
I'm sorry, with 3 ppl in the pot, there never *was* a low possible.. That's pretty much lighting money on fire.

I can't imagine anything of value happening here.. I know this may shock all of you, but I probably toss the 8 hi flush draw on the flop. I've never been a big fan of drawing to hands I can't valuebet with confidence on the end.

That's drawing hands tho... I valuebet 2pr type hands without fear.. But anything I draw to (ugly straights, flushes, etc..) I'll only draw cheaply and cautiously to.. Especially in hands with no low possible, I'll ditch any sketchy draws. In *limit*. I might semi-bluff with some in favorable spots, but dear god this isn't one of them.
antistuff
edit because its obnoxious and i think i proved my point
antistuff
i cant believe this retard called me here

Full Tilt Poker Game #10701919942: Table Western - $0.50/$1 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 5:36:26 ET - 2009/02/18
Seat 1: siggi9 ($30)
Seat 2: Sexy Sabrina ($128.85)
Seat 3: ZORRO704 ($112)
Seat 4: XDatsPokerX ($55)
Seat 5: reg4311 ($41.60)
Seat 6: antistuff ($95.55)
Seat 7: DrkTheCursed ($232.45)
Seat 8: Tenisguy ($102.35)
Seat 9: chiseler1 ($40)
Tenisguy posts the small blind of $0.50
chiseler1 posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to antistuff [Ad 2c 4d 6s]
siggi9 raises to $2
Sexy Sabrina calls $2
ZORRO704 calls $2
XDatsPokerX calls $2
reg4311 folds
antistuff calls $2
DrkTheCursed folds
Tenisguy folds
chiseler1 folds
*** FLOP *** [9h 7s 5h]
siggi9 bets $7
Sexy Sabrina folds
ZORRO704 folds
XDatsPokerX adds $2
XDatsPokerX folds
antistuff calls $7
*** TURN *** [9h 7s 5h] [Qh]
siggi9 checks
antistuff bets $25.50
siggi9 calls $21, and is all in
antistuff shows [Ad 2c 4d 6s]
siggi9 shows [4c 2d 4s As]
Uncalled bet of $4.50 returned to antistuff
*** RIVER *** [9h 7s 5h Qh] [2h]
antistuff shows a pair of Twos, for high and 7,5,4,2,A, for low
siggi9 shows a pair of Fours, for high and 7,5,4,2,A, for low
siggi9 wins the high pot ($32.25) with a pair of Fours
siggi9 ties for the low pot ($16.15) with 7,5,4,2,A
antistuff ties for the low pot ($16.10) with 7,5,4,2,A
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $67.50 | Rake $3
Board: [9h 7s 5h Qh 2h]
Seat 1: siggi9 showed [4c 2d 4s As] and won ($48.40) with HI: a pair of Fours; LO: 7,5,4,2,A
Seat 2: Sexy Sabrina folded on the Flop
Seat 3: ZORRO704 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: XDatsPokerX folded on the Flop
Seat 5: reg4311 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: antistuff showed [Ad 2c 4d 6s] and won ($16.10) with HI: a pair of Twos; LO: 7,5,4,2,A
Seat 7: DrkTheCursed (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Tenisguy (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: chiseler1 (big blind) folded before the Flop
rvrchsrhtr
^^^^^ LOL What, you mean it's not a good play to call a pot size bet with a naked lo draw?^^^^^^^
rvrchsrhtr
think I could've/should've just raised this one right on the flop.......shrug

edit: meh on second thought I think I prob got max value as played

PokerStars Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.50 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is CO with 4 icon_suit_spade.gif, J icon_suit_diamond.gif, A icon_suit_club.gif, A icon_suit_spade.gif
4 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, 3 folds, MP3 calls

Flop: (5.4 SB) J icon_suit_spade.gif, 5 icon_suit_spade.gif, 6 icon_suit_spade.gif (2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero calls

Turn: (3.7 BB) 3 icon_suit_diamond.gif (2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero raises, MP3 calls

River: (7.7 BB) 9 icon_suit_club.gif (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls

Total pot: $4.85 (9.7 BB) | Rake: $0.20

Results in white below:
MP3 mucked K icon_suit_club.gif, 3 icon_suit_club.gif, 3 icon_suit_heart.gif, A icon_suit_diamond.gif (Hi: three of a kind, threes).
Hero had 4 icon_suit_spade.gif, J icon_suit_diamond.gif, A icon_suit_club.gif, A icon_suit_spade.gif (Hi: flush, Ace high, Lo: [ 6, 5, 4, 3, A ]).
Outcome: Hero won $4.65
rvrchsrhtr
wow some real nutballz playing PL/NL today during lunch hrs. I could've stacked another guy for a significant amount when he bet the river and it didn't make any sense, but decided to make the lay down icon_frown.gif
I guess I can't complain though icon_biggrin.gif

PokerStars No-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.25 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($8.90)
SB ($24.75)
BB ($25.90)
Hero (UTG) ($13.35)
MP1 ($8.60)
MP2 ($3.05)
CO ($28.35)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 2 icon_suit_spade.gif, 3 icon_suit_diamond.gif, J icon_suit_club.gif, A icon_suit_club.gif
Hero calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, Button calls $0.25, SB calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($1.25) 7 icon_suit_club.gif, Q icon_suit_heart.gif, 3 icon_suit_club.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold

Turn: ($2.25) 4 icon_suit_club.gif (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, MP1 calls $2, Button calls $2, 1 fold

River: ($8.25) 7 icon_suit_spade.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $5.75, MP1 calls $5.75, Button calls $5.75

Total pot: $25.50 | Rake: $1.25

Results in white below:
Button had 9 icon_suit_spade.gif, 2 icon_suit_diamond.gif, 10 icon_suit_spade.gif, A icon_suit_heart.gif (Hi: one pair, sevens, Lo: [ 7, 4, 3, 2, A ]).
Hero had 2 icon_suit_spade.gif, 3 icon_suit_diamond.gif, J icon_suit_club.gif, A icon_suit_club.gif (Hi: flush, Ace high, Lo: [ 7, 4, 3, 2, A ]).
MP1 had A icon_suit_spade.gif, J icon_suit_spade.gif, 2 icon_suit_club.gif, 8 icon_suit_heart.gif (Hi: one pair, sevens, Lo: [ 7, 4, 3, 2, A ]).
Outcome: Button won $4, Hero won $16.20, MP1 won $4.05
rvrchsrhtr
PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($0.40)
CO ($10)
Button ($13.46)
SB ($3.25)
Hero (BB) ($6.12)
UTG ($7.61)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q icon_suit_diamond.gif, 6 icon_suit_heart.gif, 2 icon_suit_spade.gif, A icon_suit_spade.gif
2 folds, CO checks, Button raises to $0.24, SB calls $0.22, Hero calls $0.19, CO calls $0.19

Flop: ($0.91) 7 icon_suit_spade.gif, Q icon_suit_club.gif, 5 icon_suit_club.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets $0.98, SB raises to $3.01 (All-In), Hero raises to $5.04, 1 fold, Button raises to $7.07, Hero calls $0.84 (All-In)

Turn: ($15.68) 6 icon_suit_club.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($15.68) Q icon_suit_spade.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $15.68 | Rake: $0.75

Results in white below:
Button had 2 icon_suit_heart.gif, 7 icon_suit_heart.gif, 8 icon_suit_diamond.gif, A icon_suit_heart.gif (Hi: two pair, Queens and sevens, Lo: [ 7, 6, 5, 2, A ]).
SB mucked 8 icon_suit_club.gif, 2 icon_suit_diamond.gif, 6 icon_suit_diamond.gif, 3 icon_suit_club.gif (Hi: flush, Queen high, Lo: [ 7, 6, 5, 3, 2 ]).
Hero had Q icon_suit_diamond.gif, 6 icon_suit_heart.gif, 2 icon_suit_spade.gif, A icon_suit_spade.gif (Hi: full house, Queens over sixes, Lo: [ 7, 6, 5, 2, A ]).
Outcome: Button won $3.74, Hero won $11.26
rvrchsrhtr
I almost didn't raise this on the end. Glad I came to my senses

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($6.84)
Button ($2.77)
Hero (SB) ($5.12)
BB ($4.92)
UTG ($5.22)
MP ($9.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q icon_suit_spade.gif, K icon_suit_spade.gif, J icon_suit_heart.gif, J icon_suit_spade.gif
UTG calls $0.05, MP calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, Button calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.03, BB checks

Flop: ($0.30) 2 icon_suit_club.gif, J icon_suit_diamond.gif, 2 icon_suit_spade.gif (6 players)
Hero bets $0.15, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.15, 1 fold, CO calls $0.15, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.75) 5 icon_suit_club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $0.50, UTG calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50

River: ($2.25) 8 icon_suit_diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $1, UTG raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4.42 (All-In), UTG calls $2.42

Total pot: $11.09 | Rake: $0.50

Results in white below:
Hero had Q icon_suit_spade.gif, K icon_suit_spade.gif, J icon_suit_heart.gif, J icon_suit_spade.gif (Hi: full house, Jacks over twos).
UTG mucked 5 icon_suit_spade.gif, 2 icon_suit_diamond.gif, Q icon_suit_heart.gif, K icon_suit_club.gif (Hi: full house, twos over fives).
Outcome: Hero won $10.59
Cappy37
Nice, Rvr..

Maybe it's just me, but I really haven't come across any post-worthy hands in LO8 the last couple of weeks. Sometimes I feel the game is just playing itself now, with me throwing in some well-timed aggression.

I've also found that on days where I'm not getting cards/hitting flops it's just far better to turtle up a bit and keep the stop-loss strong as opposed to being clever.

Hell I feel like I'm FPP-farming more than playing poker a lot of the times. And I definitely feel like the HORSE tables seem to bring me more profit than straight LO8 tables.

PLO8 has definitely caught my eye. Any pointers? May consider giving it a shot.
rvrchsrhtr
meh still kind of getting comfortable with it myself. I know at the FR NL tables you get a lot of nitty trappy style play and people who buy in short and just move in over and over preflop to try and double up (read if you steal enough small pots you can gamble it up with short stacks until you hold and show profit) At the PL 6max tables at the limit I've been playing there are a lot of weak players. You do have the regs, but seems to be at the moment there a several soft spots to get in. I just play position 3x raise a lot preflop and c-bet on a lot of flops
rvrchsrhtr
PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($6.39)
Hero (CO) ($6.18)
Button ($2.94)
SB ($4.48)
BB ($7.18)
UTG ($2.08)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J icon_suit_diamond.gif, A icon_suit_spade.gif, 9 icon_suit_diamond.gif, K icon_suit_club.gif
UTG bets $0.17, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.17, 1 fold, SB calls $0.15, BB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.68) 10 icon_suit_heart.gif, 9 icon_suit_club.gif, A icon_suit_diamond.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.60, 2 folds, UTG raises to $1.91 (All-In), Hero calls $1.31

Turn: ($4.50) 7 icon_suit_spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($4.50) Q icon_suit_diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $4.50 | Rake: $0.20

Results in white below:
UTG had Q icon_suit_heart.gif, 2 icon_suit_club.gif, J icon_suit_club.gif, A icon_suit_heart.gif (Hi: two pair, Aces and Queens).
Hero had J icon_suit_diamond.gif, A icon_suit_spade.gif, 9 icon_suit_diamond.gif, K icon_suit_club.gif (Hi: straight, Ace high).
Outcome: Hero won $4.30
antistuff
QUOTE (Cappy37 @ Monday, February 23rd, 2009, 11:45 PM) *
Nice, Rvr..

Maybe it's just me, but I really haven't come across any post-worthy hands in LO8 the last couple of weeks. Sometimes I feel the game is just playing itself now, with me throwing in some well-timed aggression.

I've also found that on days where I'm not getting cards/hitting flops it's just far better to turtle up a bit and keep the stop-loss strong as opposed to being clever.

Hell I feel like I'm FPP-farming more than playing poker a lot of the times. And I definitely feel like the HORSE tables seem to bring me more profit than straight LO8 tables.

PLO8 has definitely caught my eye. Any pointers? May consider giving it a shot.


raise preflop and bet the flop.
rvrchsrhtr
QUOTE (rvrchsrhtr @ Wednesday, February 25th, 2009, 8:41 AM) *
meh still kind of getting comfortable with it myself. I know at the FR NL tables you get a lot of nitty trappy style play and people who buy in short and just move in over and over preflop to try and double up (read if you steal enough small pots you can gamble it up with short stacks until you hold and show profit) At the PL 6max tables at the limit I've been playing there are a lot of weak players. You do have the regs, but seems to be at the moment there a several soft spots to get in. I just play position 3x raise a lot preflop and c-bet on a lot of flops


echo echo icon_biggrin.gif glad I'm getting something right
rvrchsrhtr
Man it's nice to see some other people start posting around here. (not that you 2 weren't enough for me..lol) Maybe we can start generating some interesting things to talk about more frequently. Side note played in a live NL HLDM tourney last night went out 23rd out of 110 when a guy with A4 called over two of us who were all in for his stack with A4 villain who went all in first had KQ I had AK sooooted all blanks river 4 doh

Oh yeah and back to the 1/2 limit mixed in a bit

PokerStars Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $2.00 BB (10 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8 icon_suit_heart.gif, 3 icon_suit_spade.gif, A icon_suit_heart.gif, 4 icon_suit_club.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, Hero checks

Flop: (6 SB) 3 icon_suit_heart.gif, K icon_suit_diamond.gif, 8 icon_suit_club.gif (6 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls

Turn: (6 BB) 2 icon_suit_spade.gif (6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, 1 fold, SB calls

River: (11 BB) 9 icon_suit_diamond.gif (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold

Total pot: $28 (14 BB) | Rake: $1

Results in white below:
Hero had 8 icon_suit_heart.gif, 3 icon_suit_spade.gif, A icon_suit_heart.gif, 4 icon_suit_club.gif (Hi: two pair, eights and threes, Lo: [ 8, 4, 3, 2, A ]).
UTG+1 had 8 icon_suit_spade.gif, 7 icon_suit_club.gif, 6 icon_suit_heart.gif, 3 icon_suit_club.gif (Hi: two pair, eights and threes, Lo: [ 8, 7, 6, 3, 2 ]).
MP3 mucked K icon_suit_club.gif, 10 icon_suit_spade.gif, 4 icon_suit_diamond.gif, 5 icon_suit_diamond.gif (Hi: one pair, Kings, Lo: [ 8, 5, 4, 3, 2 ]).
Outcome: Hero won $20.25, UTG+1 won $6.75
rvrchsrhtr
always nice to double up first hand

PokerStars Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.50 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is SB with 10 icon_suit_spade.gif, Q icon_suit_diamond.gif, 10 icon_suit_club.gif, Q icon_suit_heart.gif
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Button calls, Hero calls, BB checks

Flop: (6 SB) Q icon_suit_spade.gif, 7 icon_suit_diamond.gif, 5 icon_suit_club.gif (6 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls

Turn: (13 BB) 10 icon_suit_diamond.gif (5 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls

River: (33 BB) 3 icon_suit_spade.gif (5 players)
Hero bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls

Total pot: $18.50 (37 BB) | Rake: $0.40

Results in white below:
Hero had 10 icon_suit_spade.gif, Q icon_suit_diamond.gif, 10 icon_suit_club.gif, Q icon_suit_heart.gif (Hi: three of a kind, Queens).
UTG had 10 icon_suit_heart.gif, 2 icon_suit_diamond.gif, A icon_suit_spade.gif, 2 icon_suit_spade.gif (Hi: one pair, tens, Lo: [ 7, 5, 3, 2, A ]).
UTG+1 had 2 icon_suit_heart.gif, A icon_suit_club.gif, 4 icon_suit_diamond.gif, K icon_suit_club.gif (Hi: high card, Ace, Lo: [ 7, 5, 3, 2, A ]).
MP1 had 6 icon_suit_club.gif, 2 icon_suit_club.gif, J icon_suit_heart.gif, A icon_suit_heart.gif (Hi: high card, Ace, Lo: [ 7, 5, 3, 2, A ]).
Outcome: Hero won $9.05, UTG won $3.05, UTG+1 won $3, MP1 won $3
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