[quote name='jmbreslin' post='2701529' date='Monday, July 14th, 2008, 9:24 AM'][quote name='rvrchsrhtr' post='2701468' date='Monday, July 14th, 2008, 7:54 AM']
PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $0.02 BB (4 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

SB ($9.45)
BB ($6.89)
UTG ($1)
Hero ($4.73)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7 , 9 , 4 , A . UTG posts a blind of $0.02.
UTG (poster) checks, Hero calls $0.02, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.08) 6 , K , 9 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($0.08) 2 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.08, SB folds, BB calls $0.08, UTG calls $0.06.

Rationale for the turn check-raise here?[/quote]

I didn't check raise just raised the turn (you prob meant check flop raise turn?) I picked up draws on both sides thought I would raise it up to see how strong UTG was if he reraises and was kind of hoping I would get it heads up

[quote name='jmbreslin' post='2701531' date='Monday, July 14th, 2008, 9:27 AM'][quote name='rvrchsrhtr' post='2701472' date='Monday, July 14th, 2008, 7:56 AM']
hands like these cost me a bit of profit

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BB ($5.19)
UTG ($2.91)
MP ($2.59)
Hero ($6.51)
SB ($1.59)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 2 , A , Q , 4 .
1 fold, MP calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.08, SB calls $0.07, 1 fold, MP calls $0.06.

Flop: ($0.26) 6 , 3 , 2 (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.1, SB calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10.

Why such a small lead with the nut low here? Don't you want to charge heart draws?[/quote]

I'm usually leading 1/2 to 3/4 if I'm going to bet out. with the lo in, 2 flush cards on board, and str8 cards I figured just about any bet should at least get it heads up unless they both had strong hands

what do we think about folding the boat here?


PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $0.05 BB (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

MP ($5.03)
Button ($9.19)
SB ($6.02)
Hero ($6.75)
UTG ($13.29)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 , 6 , 7 , K .
UTG calls $0.05, MP calls $0.05, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.20) 6 , 8 , 8 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.1, UTG folds, MP raises to $0.3, SB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $0.40

Results in white below:
No showdown. MP wins $0.40.

So you don't play by the "all bets should be pot-bets" rule?

That bet just seems so small there, especially against players who will chase and call down with mediocre hands.

Tough spot and I wouldn't be surprised to see MP raising here with trip 8's. But since you're OOP with the underfull and have very distant and weak low potential, and the pot is small, I think it is very reasonable to get out now and avoid a mess.

yeah I should've made it around $.15 I think, but you also know how people with made lows play at these stakes as well. Either raise and drive like crazy or just call no matter how much you bet. and no I don't do the "all bets should be pot bets" rule. If I did it would cost me an awful lot to take shots at multiway pots like I sometimes like to do

But aren't you then giving away a betting pattern, by taking stabs with smaller bets but driving strong hands with pot bets?

always leading 1/2 to 3/4 in multiway pots if I'm betting out. heads up I'm more likely to pot flop, pot turn, then decide to check behind or bet pot again on river when in position. when people are on draws they tend to call no matter what so even if I have a made hand it costs me less overall IMO. I can bet 1/2 to 3/4 and if the turn comes blank or I feel they missed I can fire a pot bet then. I don't think I'm giving off any patterns, but I must admit now you've got me thinking about it

As long as your bet sizing is based on the number of opponents and not on your hand, it shouldn't really matter. But you've got me thinking about my "always bet pot" approach...

Cruel irony, I got nailed with the underfull in a hand last night. With A6xx I flopped 66A (pot was unraised PF). I checked the flop OOP, not realizing that I had actually flopped the full house, and when someone led I came in with a sizeable check-raise. Ended up with one caller. Turn was something like a T so I led out and got called. Ended up putting more money in on the high-card river and lost to AAxx.

don't worry about this unless you are doing something really obvious like min betting at missed flops and betting the pot otherwise.

It's an EPIDEMIC! my buddy just sent me a hand from his no limit session 1010 flop AA10 all in guy shows A10 of course! lol

this one felt good.

i've been running so bad lately. for like the past few thousand hands i've only been winning at 2ptbb/100. its horrible.

at least i keep getting the money in good in all my shots at 1/2. i think i could beat it the hell out of it if only i could win a third of the 60/40s i get in on the good side of.

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $31.40
UTG+1: $23.50
CO: $129.30
Button: $35.50
Hero: $99
BB: $8.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with A A T 7
UTG raises to $2, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button folds, Hero calls, BB raises all-in $8.5, UTG folds, CO raises to $31.5, Hero raises all-in $99, CO calls.

Flop: K 3 6 ($202, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $27.5, Sidepot 1: $174.5)


Turn: K ($202, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $27.5, Sidepot 1: $174.5)


River: K ($202, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $27.5, Sidepot 1: $174.5)


Results:
Final pot: $202

Holy crap, man, calling off all your chips PF with two unsuited Aces and weak low potential? Yikes.

the CO should be pushing light against me in that situation.

i know that he knows this.


and i didn't exactly call, i did put the last raise in

nh Antistuff! the way I've been running that guy so would've showed up with a K! I've recently been going back to being passive and just waiting to make hands instead of betting agg on draws letting the other agg monkeys do that for me. It's not as fun and you get a little less action, but the variance is easier to deal with. You do still get the donkeys that will pay you off like this guy, but it sure does take a lot more patience

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CO ($5.71)
Hero ($6.51)
SB ($2.74)
BB ($3.25)
UTG ($4)
MP ($6.90)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 2 , 3 , A , 8 .
UTG calls $0.05, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.05, SB completes, BB raises to $0.15, UTG calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, SB calls $0.10.

Flop: ($0.65) K , T , 8 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $0.05, Hero calls $0.05, SB calls $0.05, BB folds.

Turn: ($0.80) 8 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $0.1, Hero calls $0.10, SB calls $0.10.

River: ($1.10) 8 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.55, SB folds, UTG calls $0.50.

Final Pot: $2.20

Results in white below:
UTG has Js 4c 7h Ts (High: full house, eights full of tens).
Hero has 2c 3h Ah 8c (High: four of a kind, eights).
Outcome: Hero wins $2.20.

I actually missed the fact that BB reraised all in and that the original raiser folded. So basically you're betting on being in very good shape against CO, right? Still, though, in a game where no hand is ever better than 60/40 PF this seems like a very high variance way to play these hands.

with the agg style anti plays and advocates i don't think high variance is something he isn't use to

what the hell are these guys doing?

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BB ($7.55)
UTG ($4.78)
MP ($6)
CO ($2)
Button ($3.19)
Hero ($4.20)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K, 4, 2. MP posts a blind of $0.05. CO posts a blind of $0.05.
1 fold, MP (poster) raises to $0.1, CO (poster) calls $0.05, Button calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.08, BB calls $0.05.

Flop: ($0.55) 8, 4, 8 (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets $0.15, CO calls $0.15, Button folds, Hero raises to $0.45, BB calls $0.45, MP calls $0.30, CO calls $0.30.

Turn: ($2.35) 4 (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP checks, CO checks.

River: ($2.35) 8 (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.3, MP calls $0.30, CO calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.30.

Final Pot: $3.55

Results in white below:
BB has Qs Qh Qc 9d (High: full house, eights full of queens).
MP has Ah 2s As 7d (High: full house, eights full of aces).
CO has 5s 3d 5d 7s (High: full house, eights full of fives).
Hero has Ks Kc 4d 2h (High: full house, eights full of kings).
Outcome: MP wins $3.55.

pleasently surprised with a scoop here

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UTG ($5.02)
MP ($10.29)
Hero ($4.47)
Button ($5.09)
SB ($7.43)
BB ($9.92)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 3, 8, 2, 6.
1 fold, MP calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.05, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.


Flop: ($0.20) 5, A, 6 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.15, SB calls $0.15, BB folds, MP folds.

Turn: ($0.50) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.35, SB calls $0.35.

River: ($1.20) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.15, SB calls $1.15.

Final Pot: $3.50

Results in white below:
Hero has 3d 8c 2c 6c (Low: 6, 5, 3, 2, A | High: full house, sixes full of aces).
SB has Ts 4d 8h 2s (Low: 6, 5, 4, 2, A | High: two pair, aces and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins $3.50.

Donk bet FTW! ...lol


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BB ($7.40)
UTG ($9.24)
MP ($1.97)
CO ($5.43)
Button ($7.03)
Hero ($5.62)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, 2, Q, A.
2 folds, CO calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB raises to $0.2, CO calls $0.15, Hero raises to $0.35, BB calls $0.15, CO calls $0.15.

Flop: ($1.10) 2, 6, T (3 players)
Hero bets $0.75, BB folds, CO folds.

Final Pot: $1.10

Results in white below:
No showdown. Hero wins $1.10.

while its kind of insignificant becouse the bet is so small, calling that river ain't so hot. if he had bet the pot i would consider it a medium sized mistake.

while its not unusual for me to swing a couple of buyins in either direction, sometimes even rather quickly, i think my worst downswing ever was something like 9 or 10 buyins. i also can't recall a time when i was down more than 3 or 4 that i didn't toss one of them away on a stupid hopeless bluff out of frustration, so with a little self control this would have been even less. ill guess that i've played somewhere in the neighborhood of 250k hands of this game, so my experience is definitely statistically significant.

i do seem to have long break even stretches though where i lose every large pot i get 100bbs in as a 55% favorite.

yeah, I was just so confused at what people were playing I just kind of "clicked" it with out much hesitation. I honestly thought there was a small chance I might have the best hand and with a $.30 bet I guess I didn't want to fold and be wrong. I even thought about raising for a second time on the end although I'm glad I didn't as MP appeared to be content in just calling down after my flop check raise with the aces.

wish I could say I haven't had any big down swings, but my bankroll has been up and down more than a $20 crack whore in the last couple of months.

I so almost pulled the sick value raise on the end of this one



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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K , 2 , 9 , A .
Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (11 SB) 8 , J , 6 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, MP3 calls, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 4 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, MP3 raises, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls.

River: (14 BB) K (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 17 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ks 2h 9s Ac (Low: 8, 6, 4, 2, A | High: one pair, kings).
MP2 has 2c 7c Ad Qh (Low: 8, 6, 4, 2, A | High: high card, ace).
MP3 has Ah 2s 9h 7h (Low: 8, 6, 4, 2, A | High: high card, ace).
Outcome: Hero wins 11.33 BB. MP2 wins 2.83 BB. MP3 wins 2.83 BB.

scooooop it


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BB ($5.70)
UTG ($8.75)
MP ($2.73)
Button ($2.58)
Hero ($2.98)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3 , 6 , 5 , A .
UTG calls $0.05, MP raises to $0.1, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.08, BB calls $0.05, UTG calls $0.05.

Flop: ($0.40) 8 , 5 , 4 (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets $0.1, Hero calls $0.10, BB calls $0.10, UTG folds.

Turn: ($0.70) 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets $0.15, Hero raises to $0.3, BB calls $0.30, MP calls $0.15.

River: ($1.60) 5 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.85, BB folds, MP calls $0.85.

Final Pot: $3.30

Results in white below:
MP has Ts Ac 5s Th (Low: 8, 7, 5, 4, A | High: three of a kind, fives).
Hero has 3s 6d 5h Ah (Low: 7, 5, 4, 3, A | High: straight, eight high).
Outcome: Hero wins $3.30.

i lead that river, but as played you should have checkraised him. i wouldn't even consider that thin.

interesting........ my thought was if I just call I might get the overcall from a weaker lo more often than my K's would be good for the high half. not to mention I thought there was a pretty good chance I was getting 1/4ed on my lo.
please explain your thought process here for the O8 novice

mp2 didn't three bet the turn and mp3 didn't raise the flop. makes me think that a pair of kings is good for high here a whole lot.

me and this player were really going at it with each other and i had let him develop a pattern of pushing me off hands exactly like this.

of course he doesn't know about the subtle difference between a small pot and a big pot.

i kind of wish he would have shoved the river so i could have called for his stack with my pair of 3s on that board, which i was prepared to do instantly.

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $142.50
Hero: $199.50
SB: $242.25
BB: $85.65

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with 3 4 A T
UTG folds, Hero raises to $3.5, SB raises to $11.5, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 8 Q 3 ($24, 2 players)
SB bets $24, Hero calls.

Turn: 8 ($72, 2 players)
SB bets $50, Hero calls.

River: Q ($172, 2 players)
SB bets $44, Hero raises all-in $114, SB folds.
Uncalled bets: $70 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $260

a royal flush beats quads right?


Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $283.50
CO: $211.15
Button: $169
SB: $200.90
BB: $127

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with J K J Q
Hero calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB raises to $5, BB calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: T A K ($20, 4 players)
SB bets $20, BB folds, Hero raises to $80, Button folds, SB calls.

Turn: J ($180, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $180, SB calls all-in $115.9.
Uncalled bets: $64.1 returned to Hero.

River: K ($411.8, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $411.8)


Results:
Final pot: $411.8

this left me down only $800 for the day. things are looking up!!!


edit: learning how to read the board FTW!!! opponnet had aaxx

with cards that match the board like that str8 KKK JJJ str8flush! who needs skill? VNH

limit is soooooo ABC most of the time


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Preflop: Hero is BB with 4 , A , 2 , A .
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, 5 folds, SB completes, Hero raises, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, SB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 9 , 8 , 4 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 4 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG folds, UTG+2 calls, SB calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 3 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 calls, SB folds.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 4d Ad 2d Ah (Low: 8, 4, 3, 2, A | High: three of a kind, fours).
UTG+2 has As 5c Jc 5s (Low: 8, 5, 4, 3, A | High: two pair, fives and fours).
Outcome: Hero wins 11.50 BB.

no strat to it def lo content so I thought you guys would get a chuckle out of this one even if it is Razz


HORSE - Razz ($0.10/$0.20), Ante $0.02, Bring-In $0.05 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.60 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx A:spade:___calls___calls
Hero: A:diamond: T:heart: 5:diamond:___calls___calls
Seat 3: xx xx J :heart:___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 3:diamond:___calls___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 9:spade:___calls___calls
Seat 6: xx xx A:club:___raises
Seat 7: xx xx K:club:___brings-in___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 2:spade:___folds

4th Street - (7.10 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx A:spade: J:diamond:___calls
Hero: A:diamond: T:heart: 5:diamond: 3:heart:___checks___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 3:diamond: 3:club:___checks___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 9:spade: Q:club:___checks___calls
Seat 6: xx xx A:club: 6:club:___bets

5th Street - (5.55 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx A:spade: J:diamond: T:diamond:___folds
Hero: A:diamond: T:heart: 5:diamond: 3:heart: 4:club:___bets
Seat 5: xx xx 9:spade: Q:club: K:spade:___calls
Seat 6: xx xx A:club: 6:club: 8:diamond:___folds

6th Street - (7.55 BB)

Hero: A:diamond: T:heart: 5:diamond: 3:heart: 4:club: 3:spade:___bets
Seat 5: xx xx 9:spade: Q:club: K:spade: 7:heart:___checks___calls

River - (9.55 BB)

Hero: A:diamond: T:heart: 5:diamond: 3:heart: 4:club: 3:spade: 2:heart:___bets
Seat 5: xx xx 9:spade: Q:club: K:spade: 7:heart: xx___checks___calls

Total pot: (11.55 BB)

Poker Stars
Limit Omaha Ring game
Limit: $0.10/$0.2
7 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (7 players) hero is SB with
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, CO folds, Button calls, hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: (5SB, 5 players)
hero bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (5BB, 5 players)
hero bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Button calls.

River: (10BB, 5 players)
hero bets, BB calls, 2 folds, Button calls.

Results:
Final pot: 13BB
Seat 2: rvrchsrhtr (small blind) showed [Ad 4d 5s Kd] and won ($1.86) with HI: a straight, Deuce to Six; LO: 5,4,3,2,A
Seat 3: nickybelane (big blind) showed [6d 4h 5c 2d] and won ($0.62) with HI: a straight, Deuce to Six; LO: 6,5,4,3,2
Seat 4: iN4sty folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: yudaplus folded on the River
Seat 6: Tak3Ov3r folded on the River
Seat 7: jman1979 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: weRUNthis206 (button) mucked [Ts 7c 3c Qs]

same villain that was in the razz hand

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.10/$0.2
8 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is Button with 7 7
UTG calls, 4 folds, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: Q 3 7 (10SB, 3 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, Hero raises, SB calls, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, SB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: K (10BB, 2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG calls.

River: J (18BB, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

Results:
Final pot: 20BB
UTG mucks 6d Kd

weeeeeeeeee!!


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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 5 , 3 , 9 , A .
1 fold, Hero calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 4 , 9 , 6 (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 4 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 folds, CO calls, SB folds, BB calls.

River: (8.50 BB) T (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 7h 2c 7c 2d (High: two pair, sevens and fours).
Hero has 5s 3s 9s Ac (High: two pair, nines and fours).
CO has 5h 6h 3h 5c (High: two pair, sixes and fours).
Outcome: Hero wins 11.50 BB.

i felt bad for sucking out for a second until I noticed he did it first!

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 , 8 , A , A .
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 6 , 9 , 9 (6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO folds, SB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) J (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (7.50 BB) A (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, SB folds.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 6d 8s Ah As (High: full house, aces full of nines).
MP2 has Jc Js 3h 2s (High: full house, jacks full of nines).
Outcome: Hero wins 9.50 BB.

Ahhhh, finally....

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UTG ($1.08)
MP ($3.02)
Hero ($5.44)
SB ($5.08)
BB ($3.35)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A, 5, 2.
UTG calls $0.02, MP calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.11, 1 fold, BB calls $0.09, UTG calls $0.09, MP calls $0.09.

Flop: ($0.45) 4, A, 4 (4 players)
BB bets $0.04, UTG calls $0.04, MP calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.3, BB raises to $1.43, UTG calls $0.93 (All-In), MP calls $1.39, Hero calls $1.13.

Turn: ($5.71) 9 (4 players, 1 all-in)
BB bets $1.81 (All-In), MP calls $1.48 (All-In), Hero calls $1.81.

River: ($10.81) 8 (4 players, 3 all-in)

Final Pot: $10.81

Results:
UTG has 3h Qd 2d 3c (Low: 8, 4, 3, 2, A | High: two pair, fours and threes).
MP has 3d 5h 4c 5s (Low: 8, 5, 4, 3, A | High: three of a kind, fours).
Hero has Ac As 5d 2h (Low: 8, 5, 4, 2, A | High: full house, aces full of fours).
BB has Js 4h Qs Kc (High: three of a kind, fours).
Outcome: Hero wins $8.64. UTG wins $2.16.

Wow, that is brutal - I was expecting one of them to at least be drawing to the nut low. Why did you keep betting this one, with only the 2nd nut low draw and such a weak high?
*Edit: just noticed you also had the OESD...

Someone just shoot me now, please.

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BB ($2.43)
UTG ($3.90)
MP ($2)
CO ($2.23)
Hero ($4.66)
SB ($2.69)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, 3, A, J. MP posts a blind of $0.02.
1 fold, MP (poster) checks, CO calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.11, SB calls $0.10, BB calls $0.09, MP folds, CO folds.

Flop: ($0.37) J, 3, K (3 players)
SB bets $0.06, BB calls $0.06, Hero raises to $0.28, SB calls $0.22, BB calls $0.22.

Turn: ($1.21) 8 (3 players)
SB bets $1.16, BB calls $1.16, Hero folds. [SB's gotta have KK, right?]

River: ($3.53) 8 (2 players)
SB checks, BB checks.

Final Pot: $3.53

Results:
BB has Qc 4d 4h Ts (High: two pair, eights and fours).
SB has 9s 4c 9d 2s (High: two pair, nines and eights).
Outcome: SB wins $3.53.

i think we should stop posting in this thread so much and post hands that have strategic value in their own threads so we can discuss them.

of course silly hehe look at this sort of hands should still go in here.

but it seems like we are lacking strat discussion in this forum as of late.

I prob don't make the fold here, but I can def see why you would. I just think with the added nut flush draw you picked up on the turn you call and see what action he takes on the river b4 u give up. (SB is only gonna have like $1.32 left on the end so meh)

"ABC easy as 123"

PokerStars 0.10/0.20 Omaha/8 (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6 , 4 , K , A .
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 3 , 7 , 5 (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 8 (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 7 (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has 5h 4d 3h 2d (Low: 7, 5, 4, 3, 2 | High: flush, eight high).
UTG+1 has 5s Ts 3s 8h (High: two pair, eights and sevens).
MP1 has 6s 7s Ac As (Low: 7, 6, 5, 3, A | High: three of a kind, sevens).
Hero has 6d 4c Kd Ad (Low: 7, 5, 4, 3, A | High: flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins 13.50 BB.

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PokerStars 0.10/0.20 Omaha/8 (10 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 2 , 3 , 4 , A .
UTG calls, 3 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) T , 8 , A (5 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (5 BB) K (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

River: (10 BB) 5 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has 9h 3h 5d 6d (Low: 8, 6, 5, 3, A | High: one pair, fives).
Hero has 2h 3d 4d Ac (Low: 8, 5, 3, 2, A | High: one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 12 BB.

no time for waiting list so sat down for a qwik session of big ballin .02/.04 limit!

PokerStars 0.02/0.04 Omaha/8 (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A , J , Q , A .
Hero raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) Q , 2 , J (5 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero raises, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (8 BB) A (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (11 BB) 9 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

Results in white below:
BB has Qs Ah 8s 8d (High: two pair, aces and queens).
Hero has Ad Jd Qh Ac (High: three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 13 BB.

Well, sure, but if I'm putting one of them on the KK then picking up the NFD doesn't change anything. They were both new enough to the table that I didn't have a read to go on.

I have started noticing that there are plenty of players at these stakes who will lead the flop and turn with very mediocre combo/combo draw hands. The problem I'm running into at these stakes that is really hurting my profitability is oscillating between giving my opponents too much credit (folding the best hand) and not giving them enough credit (calling and losing to the best/better hand). I play my usual disciplined game until a hand like this comes along (which usually happens at least once/session), and then it affects my decisions the next time I'm in a similar hand.

What I may need to start doing is giving myself more chances to get to the river instead of giving up on the earlier streets since the river is usually where people reveal the strength of their hands.

in that hand you posted with the set of jacks, that fold is horrible. pot the flop and be happy if they get it all in with you there. if they just call then pot that turn.

this isn't omaha hi. the times to fold middle set are rare. err on the side of getting stacked by top set with it, especially at your stakes.

On a different board maybe, but if two villains are prepared to get it all in on that flop (no low draw, no flush draw), how often is my set of Jacks really going to be ahead?

Anybody else in the 7k gauranteed that started at 730est?