I don't actually understand quite what you're saying here. What do you mean by dragging a 3-way pot? And how do you only lose one small bet on the flop when you run into the nuts?

I mean firing on a 247 flop holding KQJJ with 2 other opponents in the hand.. Even if one guy flats, you can re-fire any card besides a 3 or an 8 on the turn and give him a second chance to fold pre showdown.

Now if you fire into an 235 flop with a hand like KQJJ and get raised, you def. aren't calling, so it's a net loss of one bet that had a chance to win you 3 bets+blinds.

Notice how I'm not using, say A25 in my example... because anyone holding an ace (esp. A2) is going to come along for the ride. Yep, that same idiot who pays 3 streets when you hold the stone nuts both ways trying to hit his full house will also eff up your bluffing and repping, so keep that in mind.

Yeah, it's much easier to nutpeddle, but I find it so gosh darn boring.

Isn't someone holding Ax (where x is 2-8) going to come along for the ride on a 247 or 235 flop? I would have thought it is better to bluff into an A flop because Ax low draws will be counterfeited.

It mainly depends on your opponent and how they play. Most of what I talk about is purely situational, too. I can nit it up as well.

Remember: on a Axx low flop, the dude with A2 now has a pair of aces.. On a 2xx flop, he's got a pair of twos... Biiiig difference

flops like 23j were made for bluffing against the right people

i've mentioned this before. its important. ill mention it again.

people aren't just tight or loose in this game. that mentality works in holdem (limit anyway i have no idea about no limit). in this game you need to understand the nature of each players tightness or looseness.

I think I've figured out the secret to nut-peddling limit tables: open one up in the background while I'm playing something else. That way I focus on playing only the hands I should be playing and I don't get bogged down in fancy plays. Had a .10-.20 FLO8 table open while I played two dime 360-turbos tonight and won almost a full buyin.

I don't post many hands, so here's a fun one.. Thoughts?

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Omaha/8 (10 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A, K, J, 2.
UTG calls, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls, 5 folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (10 SB) T, 5, Q (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 2 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (11 BB) Q (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, BB folds, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: 11 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has As Kh Js 2s (High: two pair, queens and twos).
Outcome: Hero wins 11 BB.

Heh, by far the most amusing hand of the night.

Brag: scooped a nice-sized pot.
Beat: had to show it down to scoop pot.
Variance: had to slow down considerably and wait for hands because of it.. Probably broke even over the long run.

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Omaha/8 (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 3, A, A, A.
3 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 7, 2, T (4 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 8 (3 players)
BB checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP3 calls.

River: (6.75 BB) Q (3 players)
BB checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 8s Ad 9h 7c (High: two pair, eights and sevens).
MP3 has 9c 3d 4d 7d (Low: 8, 7, 4, 3, 2 | High: one pair, sevens).
Hero has 3h Ah As Ac (Low: 8, 7, 3, 2, A | High: flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins 9.75 BB.

Very nice.. But did you make anyone cry in the 10 centers? focus on the important thing!

btw- currently pissed my FPP satty ticket wins aren't showing up on OPR... blech.

I like it actually. On the river your hand is almost worthless so by betting you're risking 1BB to win an 11BB pot if you can get him to fold. The Q is a nice card for you too, since it eliminates any potential low, any straight/flush draws, and might force him to fold a better two pair.

No, trying a straightforward approach in those. Busted out in 40th and cashed (barely) in 36th in the other. Still had a bit of trouble pulling the trigger late when the cards went cold and I had two huge stacks sitting to my left. Literally squeaked into the money.

don't raise the flop?

It's a nice dawing hand with the Broadway wrap and nut flush draws, plus the backdoor nut low draw. Might as well build the pot with all those outs. The turn card was terrible but he's in pretty deep at that point so when villain checks it Hero might as well keep going.

Yeah, it's pretty durn close.. I was torn between iso'ing against a guy who could likely have been stabbing/didn't have much... and getting *everyone* in there for one bet for more chances to pay off my monster draw.



I wouldn't say terrible.. turn card pissed off anyone who stuck around with A2, not just me. I still had high aspirations, and figured any ace, king, Jack, Two, or spade wins me the pot. The ace is an extremely sneaky out, cuz only the donkest of donks is going to be able to make a low on that board if both the ace and deuece come out. If someone has like TT34, they made a hell of a flop call .

i actually think that turn card is ok. it pairs you up and reduces the number of cards that can come on the river that the villain can call a bet with. not great but certainly not terrible.

had he just called the flop and seen that turn 5 ways i would say its terrible.

currently sitting 1st on WSOP fantasy leader board! 08 guys represent!!!! lol

#&*$! this game is pissing me off. Why do people get rewarded for playing like this while I continually miss with my draws?

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Omaha/8 (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 2, A, 4, 7.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 7, 8, J (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, SB calls, BB folds, UTG raises, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) K (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, SB folds.

River: (9.50 BB) J (3 players)
UTG bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero folds, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

Results:
UTG has 8h Td 9c 8c (High: full house, eights full of jacks).
UTG+1 has Jd Ts 9s 5d (High: straight, jack high).
Outcome: UTG wins 13.50 BB.

LMAO! horrrrrrrrrible play by both!

Yeah, it's easier to see the humor when you're not suffering at the expense of it...

I mean both of those hands are absolutely brutal hands to be playing from early position, but of course they both flop big. Where is the justice? Then brilliant UTG+1 just flat calls his opponent's raise with a flopped straight, gives him a cheap ride to the river, and then chooses to raise the river when the board pairs!

Oh, and this was the same session where I folded the flopped nut straight on a paired river against two villains when the player who led all streets led the paired river and got raised by villain #2. I folded and so did the guy who led the whole way! I engaged villain #2 in chat to see if I could extract his hand and he said he was actually just testing us to see if either one of us had the full house. Probably not true but still.

this guy always sits with huge amount and pushes the action in to a frenzy!

PokerStars 1/2 Omaha/8 (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A , 6 , A , J .
1 fold, Hero raises, 3 folds, Hero calls.
Hero bets, Hero raises, Hero calls.
Hero checks, 17chips checks.
Hero bets, Hero raises.

Final Pot: 4.25 BB

Results in white below:
No showdown. Hero wins 4.25 BB.

see if this looks a bit better

Poker Stars
Limit Omaha Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A 6 A J
UTG folds, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: A 2 Q (7.5SB, 2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO caps, Hero calls.

Turn: 9 (7.75BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: 2 (7.75BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO calls.

Results:
Final pot: 13.75BB

What did he have, A2?

A2Qx :-)

because you didn't raise the flop like you know you should have.

Do you really think it's +ev for me to be raising that flop? I'm not getting rid of players who play like this, so by driving my low draw I'm either building the pot to win half if I hit my low or building the pot for them when I miss. I just don't see the point of raising the flop there. If the flop were something like J36 rainbow, then I could see driving my combo draw - but all I have here is the nut low draw with a weak gutshot straight draw on a very coordinated board.

I wouldn't lead/raise that flop either unless I had raised preflop (pretty likely) and had thinned the field a little

weeeeeeeeee

PokerStars 1/2 Omaha/8 (4 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5 , A , 4 , J .
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 2 , 6 , J (3 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (2.50 BB) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

River: (4.50 BB) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 6.50 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has Jc Kc Qd 9h (High: two pair, jacks and sixes).
Hero has 5s As 4d Js (Low: 6, 5, 4, 2, A | High: two pair, jacks and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins 6.50 BB.

playing a bit timid today

PokerStars 1/2 Omaha/8 (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4 , 2 , 7 , 5 .
1 fold, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (5 SB) A , 6 , 8 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP calls, CO calls, Button raises, SB folds, Hero calls, MP folds, CO calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 2 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero calls, CO calls.

River: (9 BB) 9 (3 players)
Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 4h 2h 7s 5d (Low: 6, 5, 4, 2, A | High: straight, nine high).
CO has Ad Qd 4s 5h (Low: 6, 5, 4, 2, A | High: one pair, aces).
Button has Kd 3s 6d 2c (Low: 8, 6, 3, 2, A | High: two pair, sixes and twos).
Outcome: Hero wins 9 BB. CO wins 3 BB.

look at what this guy is pushing the action with preflop

PokerStars 1/2 Omaha/8 (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A , A , 5 , 5 .
4 folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls.
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6 BB

Results in white below:
No showdown. Hero wins 3 BB.

stupid converter dude had AQ89 ss board ran out 63549 all Diamonds he had none

I don't understand where you find these people. He called the flop and turn with top pair and that's it?

shorthanded is a whole dif world

o well I guess half will work

PokerStars 1/2 Omaha/8 (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T , 4 , 2 , 8 .
UTG calls, MP calls, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 5 , A , 8 (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, MP calls, Button folds, Hero calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4 BB) 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP calls, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP calls.

River: (10 BB) 5 (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has 3s 4c Ah 9h (Low: 8, 5, 4, 3, A | High: two pair, aces and fives).
MP has 4d 5d 6c 3c (Low: 6, 5, 4, 3, A | High: full house, fives full of threes).
Hero has Th 4h 2h 8s (Low: 5, 4, 3, 2, A | High: straight, five high).
Outcome: Hero wins 6.50 BB. MP wins 6.50 BB.

sucka!

PokerStars 1/2 Omaha/8 (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8 , 4 , 7 , A .
1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 8 , Q , 7 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 7 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls.

River: (6.50 BB) Q (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB folds.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 8c 4s 7h Ac (High: full house, sevens full of queens).
Button has Jh 2s Kd Kc (High: two pair, kings and queens).
Outcome: Hero wins 8.50 BB.

FAIL!


PokerStars 1/2 Omaha/8 (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7 , T , A , 2 .
UTG raises, 2 folds, Hero calls, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 8 , T , 2 (3 players)
SB bets, UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, UTG caps, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (11 BB) 3 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, SB calls, UTG calls.

River: (17 BB) 9 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 20 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has 3d Qd Ad Js (High: straight, queen high).
Hero has 7d Ts Ac 2c (Low: 8, 7, 3, 2, A | High: two pair, tens and twos).
SB has 5d As Ah Kc (Low: 8, 5, 3, 2, A | High: one pair, aces).
Outcome: SB wins 10 BB. UTG wins 10 BB.

all you need is a pair of 8s

PokerStars 1/2 Omaha/8 (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5 , A , 8 , 4 .
3 folds, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 3 , 2 , 8 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 7 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (6 BB) J (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 5s Ac 8h 4s (Low: 7, 4, 3, 2, A | High: one pair, eights).
SB has Ah 3h 9d 6c (Low: 7, 6, 3, 2, A | High: one pair, threes).
Outcome: Hero wins 8 BB.

What were you thinking, man? My jaw dropped when I saw your flop reraise...

I know, but my read was dead on. I just couldn't get either one of them to fold.

Meaning what, you put UTG on A3xx and SB on AAxx? If so I can see trying to get SB to fold his AAxx to the 3-bet on the flop, but UTG isn't going anywhere after raising the flop himself.

Goddamit, I should know by now to never, ever, ever fold for just one bet on the river with a decent hand...

PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Omaha/8 (10 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 5, A, 2, 3.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, MP3 3-bets, 1 fold, Button caps, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (17.40 SB) 3, 3, J (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets, Button raises, UTG+1 3-bets, Hero calls, MP3 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (13.70 BB) 4 (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets, Button calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (17.70 BB) 9 (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets, Button calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 19.70 BB

Results:
MP3 has Kh 5d Kd 2s (High: two pair, kings and threes).
Button has Td Ac 9c Ad (High: two pair, aces and threes).
Outcome: Button wins 19.70 BB.

I swear, at least once a session I fold the river in situations like this and have to stop myself from punching the screen when I see what they flip over.

just that UTG was continuing to raise agg with any A2 hand (this time happen to be A3) and the calling station SB decided to make one of 2 preflop raises the whole time at the table so I put him directly on AA (shrug)

here's a hand I hit while waiting for a table to open up

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Omaha/8 (10 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A , 7 , 9 , Q .
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) T , K , 2 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 8 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB folds, UTG+2 calls.

River: (7.50 BB) J (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, UTG+2 folds.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ah 7c 9c Qh (High: straight flush, ace high).
Button has 8d 7h 5s 8h (High: flush, king high).
Outcome: Hero wins 9.50 BB.

pair the board one time!

PokerStars 1/2 Omaha/8 (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T , J , J , Q .
UTG calls, MP calls, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 8 , J , 9 (5 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG raises, MP folds, Button folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) K (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG caps, Hero calls.

River: (14.50 BB) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has Th Qc 9d Jd (High: straight, king high).
Hero has Td Jh Js Qh (High: straight, king high).
Outcome: Hero wins 7.25 BB. UTG wins 7.25 BB.

should've fired one more time on the turn

PokerStars 1/2 Omaha/8 (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J , A , 4 , A .
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 7 , 9 , 3 (4 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, UTG calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8 BB) T (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks.

River: (8 BB) Q (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO bets, Hero folds, BB calls, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 7d 4c 6d 9c (High: two pair, nines and sevens).
CO has 4d 3c 5c Qd (High: two pair, queens and threes).
Outcome: CO wins 10 BB.

don't trust anyone!

PokerStars 1/2 Omaha/8 (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A , 5 , J , J .
1 fold, MP calls, Hero calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 5 , K , Q (4 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (2.25 BB) A (4 players)
BB bets, MP calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

River: (6.25 BB) Q (4 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 8s 3d 4d Kd (High: two pair, kings and queens).
MP has 9d 3s 2s Ad (High: two pair, aces and queens).
Hero has Ac 5c Js Jh (High: two pair, aces and queens).
Button has 8d 2c 3h Kc (High: two pair, kings and queens).
Outcome: Hero wins 6.25 BB.

Wow, he called your raise in the BB with that junk? Is this .10-.20?

think thats bad check this out....... keep in mind that 80% of all flops were being raised pre at this table

PokerStars 1/2 Omaha/8 (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5 , A , T , 2 .
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 9 , 8 , J (5 players)
SB bets, BB folds, UTG calls, CO raises, Hero calls, SB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 7 (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 7 (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, CO folds, Hero calls, SB folds.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has 3d 6c 9c 9d (High: full house, nines full of sevens).
Hero has 5c Ah Th 2s (High: flush, ace high).
Outcome: UTG wins 12.50 BB.

you really should have raised this preflop. especially if they are limping with crap like that.

I know, but I was getting three bet a lot and no thinning the field missing flops gets expensive after awhile not to mention even if I raise there he's calling one more bet being he already entered the fray with that crap UTG

you want him in the pot. position + superior hand + presumably better post flop = edge. raise. if it gets 3 bet and it looks like its going to stay multiway then cap.

thanks for the presumption.........lol no, you're right I pussed out just hard to keep firing when you keep coming up empty handed