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David_Nicoson
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Only a few hands at this table.
MP limp/calls often.
SB hasn't played any hands yet.

stacks

SB (250)
BB (32)
UTG (124)
UTG+1 (136)
Hero (204)
MP (116)
hijack (198)
cutoff (118)
button (140)

Preflop ($3)
2 folds. Hero raises to 6 with 6 icon_suit_diamond.gif 7 icon_suit_diamond.gif . MP calls. 3 folds. SB calls. BB calls.

Flop ($24)
A icon_suit_diamond.gif 3 icon_suit_diamond.gif 2 icon_suit_club.gif
2 checks. Hero ?
SCS
Normally, I'm folding preflop. As played, I'd make a continuation bet of about $18-$20. This is about as good a flop we can hope for without flopping a made hand.
ROBBBIGG
bet?
AimHigher
I would bet, I don't see any reason to believe that the ace actually hit any of them. I also don't think we are going to get raised off our draw by anyone, although the blinds could do it.

The board is deceptively dry, the only one who is likely to have an ace in his range is the SB. He and the BB have both checked and the only hands I could possibly see the blinds checking to us with the intention of raising are twos, threes and 45. We also have a passive player behind us who we suspect is calling with a pretty wide range. Also, since he seems to be passive, even if the ace did hit he is probably not raising after we lead into 3 players.

Please correct me if any of my ideas are wrong though.
NoBBiR
I bet $16-$18.

We have position on most of the players, and we can represent the ace on the flop.
Sheiky
Bet $18-20
mtdesmoines
$15 here is prob fine. We're representing an ace, basically, and hoping someone else has one.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Friday, April 4th, 2008, 7:01 AM) *
$15 here is prob fine. We're representing an ace, basically, and hoping someone else has one.

Hi. We have 7 high and want people to fold.

Your position is good here. MP will need an A or flush draw to continue because he's got 2 players behind him. If he doesn't, then he will fold and you should have position on the field. You have 7 high and no other equity in this pot aside from the draw, so I can't see NOT betting, and if you do check, c/cing kind of turns your hand face up imo.
No_Neck
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Friday, April 4th, 2008, 10:12 AM) *
so I can't see NOT betting, and if you do check, c/cing kind of turns your hand face up imo.


i think this is the key here, you should bet unless he is going to call after the flush hits, then just wait and make your hand, but if the flush is going to scare him than you have to bet now...


that make any sense?
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (No_Neck @ Friday, April 4th, 2008, 7:26 AM) *
i think this is the key here, you should bet unless he is going to call after the flush hits, then just wait and make your hand, but if the flush is going to scare him than you have to bet now...
that make any sense?



yeah it's what i meant by hoping he had an ace

best case scenario here is running 4 5 offsuit.

STACKAGE
David_Nicoson
Harrington says, "You're in reasonable shape, but a check is certainly correct here."

Buy the book if you want to know why he says that.

I don't agree with it. Not only did we get an ace to represent, we have an actual draw that can be both outs for our own hand or blocking outs for the villain. Raising in the first place is questionable with shorts stacks in play.
NoBBiR
QUOTE (David_Nicoson @ Friday, April 4th, 2008, 10:17 PM) *
Harrington says, "You're in reasonable shape, but a check is certainly correct here."

Buy the book if you want to know why he says that.

I don't agree with it. Not only did we get an ace to represent, we have an actual draw that can be both outs for our own hand or blocking outs for the villain. Raising is in the first place is questionable with shorts stacks in play.


Stupid tourney nit.

Actually, I am going to burrow his cash game books from a friend who thinks he's the best player ever. I really just want to highlight parts of the book that make it obvious he can't play cash for shit smile.gif

But he's a helluva tournament player.
CobaltBlue
Guys...you're missing something really obvious about this hand...

The correct answer: bet $13 exactly

Want to know why? Look at BB. He's got $26 after he calls pre-flop. By betting $13, we allow him to re-open the betting for us if he shoves...which really can put the rest of our opponents in a tough spot. MP and SB won't be able to confidently call here without worrying about BB (and thus indirectly you) forcing them to pay a lot more. We'll obviously be priced in to at least calling his shove and may 3-bet depending on the action. The size of our betting is also quite reasonable for a c-bet and representing the ace...and we've got info that 2 opponents have checked already. If we had like 3 opponents with position on us, then I can see the argument for checking more.
NoBBiR
QUOTE (CobaltBlue @ Saturday, April 5th, 2008, 1:15 AM) *
Guys...you're missing something really obvious about this hand...

The correct answer: bet $13 exactly

Want to know why? Look at BB. He's got $26 after he calls pre-flop. By betting $13, we allow him to re-open the betting for us if he shoves...which really can put the rest of our opponents in a tough spot. MP and SB won't be able to confidently call here without worrying about BB (and thus indirectly you) forcing them to pay a lot more. We'll obviously be priced in to at least calling his shove and may 3-bet depending on the action. The size of our betting is also quite reasonable for a c-bet and representing the ace...and we've got info that 2 opponents have checked already. If we had like 3 opponents with position on us, then I can see the argument for checking more.


Nice pick up. I didn't notice how short the BB is. It's sexy to be able to reopen the betting here if he shoves indeed.
CobaltBlue
QUOTE (David_Nicoson @ Saturday, April 5th, 2008, 1:17 AM) *
Raising in the first place is questionable with shorts stacks in play.

Also, this is correct pre-flop. (Poor position doesn't help either.)
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Friday, April 4th, 2008, 6:01 AM) *
$15 here is prob fine. We're representing an ace, basically, and hoping someone else has one.



QUOTE (CobaltBlue @ Saturday, April 5th, 2008, 1:15 AM) *
Guys...you're missing something really obvious about this hand...

The correct answer: bet $13 exactly

Want to know why? Look at BB. He's got $26 after he calls pre-flop. By betting $13, we allow him to re-open the betting for us if he shoves...which really can put the rest of our opponents in a tough spot. MP and SB won't be able to confidently call here without worrying about BB (and thus indirectly you) forcing them to pay a lot more. We'll obviously be priced in to at least calling his shove and may 3-bet depending on the action. The size of our betting is also quite reasonable for a c-bet and representing the ace...and we've got info that 2 opponents have checked already. If we had like 3 opponents with position on us, then I can see the argument for checking more.



ack

My big and I mean BIGGEST leak is ignoring stack sizes and how they can be played.

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