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Sheiky
Full Tilt Poker Game #5698298518: Table Birch (6 max) - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:30:58 ET - 2008/03/19
Seat 1: HamsteRrr ($3.55)
Seat 3: TheAbhorsen ($10.65)
Seat 4: FourSeason23 ($18.95)
Seat 5: RichardMcBeef90 ($10)
Seat 6: Kisserella ($4.05)
Kisserella posts the small blind of $0.05
HamsteRrr posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RichardMcBeef90 [Qc Kc]
TheAbhorsen folds
FourSeason23 raises to $0.20
RichardMcBeef90 raises to $0.80
Kisserella folds
HamsteRrr folds
FourSeason23 calls $0.60
*** FLOP *** [2c Ac Qs]
FourSeason23 checks
RichardMcBeef90 bets $1.25
FourSeason23 has 15 seconds left to act
FourSeason23 raises to $18.15, and is all in
RichardMcBeef90 ?

Is this an auto call? Or are we too often reduced to just a flush draw to make calling correct? We don't get a hell of a lot of leeway with the pot odds.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (Sheiky @ Wednesday, March 19th, 2008, 12:57 PM) *
Dealt to RichardMcBeef90 [Qc Kc]
*** FLOP *** [2c Ac Qs]
FourSeason23 raises to $18.15, and is all in
RichardMcBeef90 ?
Is this an auto call? Or are we too often reduced to just a flush draw to make calling correct? We don't get a hell of a lot of leeway with the pot odds.


I think it's ok to shove here.
Webslinger516
I think it's a close one here and I don't think you lose much or win much in the long run either way.

Best case scenario is that he's bluffing with a naked flush draw which you have crushed.

Likely scenario is that he has something like AJ, so you're drawing live to a K, a Q, or a club, and you're about even money.

Worst case scenario is that he has a set of deuces or AQ, where you'd be drawing to a club only.

If I felt like gambling I'd call, that's all it comes down to in my opinion.
Canute
QUOTE (Sheiky @ Wednesday, March 19th, 2008, 12:57 PM) *
Full Tilt Poker Game #5698298518: Table Birch (6 max) - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:30:58 ET - 2008/03/19
Seat 1: HamsteRrr ($3.55)
Seat 3: TheAbhorsen ($10.65)
Seat 4: FourSeason23 ($18.95)
Seat 5: RichardMcBeef90 ($10)
Seat 6: Kisserella ($4.05)
Kisserella posts the small blind of $0.05
HamsteRrr posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RichardMcBeef90 [Qc Kc]
TheAbhorsen folds
FourSeason23 raises to $0.20
RichardMcBeef90 raises to $0.80
Kisserella folds
HamsteRrr folds
FourSeason23 calls $0.60
*** FLOP *** [2c Ac Qs]
FourSeason23 checks
RichardMcBeef90 bets $1.25
FourSeason23 has 15 seconds left to act
FourSeason23 raises to $18.15, and is all in
RichardMcBeef90 ?

Is this an auto call? Or are we too often reduced to just a flush draw to make calling correct? We don't get a hell of a lot of leeway with the pot odds.



That shove seems to indicate a some weakness. He seems to be protecting his hand, so I could see him having a strong ace or a flush draw or even something weaker but not a set or two pair. Even if you do run into a set, you still have some club outs. Also, the times you are up against a set can probably be balanced by the times you are up against a smaller club draw or KK or something crazy like that. So, it is very likely you are about 1 to 1 to win it. Also, you only have about $8 left to call and there is about $11 in the pot. So your hand odds are likely 1 to 1 while the pot is offering 1.4 to 1. So, I think calling is slightly +EV. A fold is not a bad second choice but I think calling is the best choice.
CobaltBlue
Isn't it obvious that we're crushing his jc.gif tc.gif? icon_biggrin.gif

Seriously though, calling or folding here are both probably fine.
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