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Monty27
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (3 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

Button (t3495)
SB (t4200)
Hero (t5805)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4 icon_suit_diamond.gif , 4 icon_suit_heart.gif .
Button raises to t300, 1 fold, Hero calls t150.

Flop: (t675) 3 icon_suit_spade.gif , Q icon_suit_heart.gif , 2 icon_suit_diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets t300, Hero raises to t1200, Button raises to t3195, Hero calls t1995.


Final Pot: t7065

He's been c-betting 80% of his PF raises. He thought for a while before he finally did push. I've always wondered if a call like this is standard and profitable in the long run. Thanks.
Rhegium
With what you put in on a the flop you have no choice but to call for odds against his range of hands. I would make a decision right there on the flop, push or fold, either one.
throwemaway
Judging by the texture of this board, after you put your flop c/r in, you really can only be drawing to 2 outs..I just dont' see what kind of hand he has here where hes making a stand and doesn't have a Q or a bigger pair than you, unless he has A3..That said, you are getting 2.5:1 on your call which means we need 28% equity to make this a break even call..Running an Optimistic range of A2, A3, Q10-AQ, 55-AA, and 45, there is no way we are getting that..I don't have pokerstove but I'm guessing that our equity for that range would be about 17%..Someone wanna run it?

I honestly think your better off donk leading here..C/R'ing commits a lot of our chips..
Shark527
3-handed should probably raise preflop if he is indeed an active raiser.
XXEddie
QUOTE (Shark527 @ Tuesday, March 18th, 2008, 8:06 PM) *
3-handed should probably raise preflop if he is indeed an active raiser.



QFT
copernicus
Flat the flop, call a reasonable turn bet if no A or K shows, bet if he checks, fold to any aggression on the river
Monty27
Results below
He had AK suited
Turn and River were a 5 and a 7 and I took the pot down and went on to win the tournament


I appreciate all of the comments.
throwemaway
This is my first time using pokerstove..Does this look like a reasonable range?

I wasn't going to include AK in there until OP gave results but whatever

Board: Qc 3h 2s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 23.163% 23.14% 00.02% 28411 24.00 { 4c4h }
Hand 1: 76.837% 76.82% 00.02% 94301 24.00 { AcAd, KK-55, AQs+, A3s-A2s, KQs, QTs+, 54s, AQo+, KQo, QTo+ }
copernicus
QUOTE (throwemaway @ Wednesday, March 19th, 2008, 2:35 AM) *
This is my first time using pokerstove..Does this look like a reasonable range?

I wasn't going to include AK in there until OP gave results but whatever

Board: Qc 3h 2s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 23.163% 23.14% 00.02% 28411 24.00 { 4c4h }
Hand 1: 76.837% 76.82% 00.02% 94301 24.00 { AcAd, KK-55, AQs+, A3s-A2s, KQs, QTs+, 54s, AQo+, KQo, QTo+ }


Given that it was the buttons raising and that he CBs so often I think youve been to narrow in this range, and something looks unusual...why those specific Aces?. Even with this range its a call though a narrow one.
throwemaway
QUOTE (copernicus @ Wednesday, March 19th, 2008, 7:21 AM) *
Given that it was the buttons raising and that he CBs so often I think youve been to narrow in this range, and something looks unusual...why those specific Aces?. Even with this range its a call though a narrow one.


I narrowed it down to those Aces because for him to shove A high unimproved after being c/r'ed is pretty awful, so I think we have to discount most of those..However, I guess he can make that play with A2 or A3 (it still is retarded though)

We are getting 2.5:1 on our call, which means we need 28 percent equity to make this a break even call..With this range, we are getting 23%..I just don't think including A10 or AJ in his range is accurate though after he 3 bets all in
copernicus
QUOTE (throwemaway @ Wednesday, March 19th, 2008, 12:49 PM) *
I narrowed it down to those Aces because for him to shove A high unimproved after being c/r'ed is pretty awful, so I think we have to discount most of those..However, I guess he can make that play with A2 or A3 (it still is retarded though)

We are getting 2.5:1 on our call, which means we need 28 percent equity to make this a break even call..With this range, we are getting 23%..I just don't think including A10 or AJ in his range is accurate though after he 3 bets all in


We dont have the prize structure but my guess is youll find that 23% chip equity is enough cash equity to call. Also you need to include the Harrington "10% bluff equity" which should put it over the top even on a chip basis.
Mercury69
Mengh...
silkyjonson
I don't like this at all and think its a spew. Sure the guy had air this time but if you keep calling 3 bet all ins in that spot with 44 then your going to lose money in the long run. If he is active then RR preflop, I just don't see you being ahead enough of the time. I think check calling the flop is ok as well, but I hate this line calling a 3 bet AI unless you have a specific raed on the guy.
Monty27
Does the fact that this was a $1.20 9 player SNG change anything as far as ranges go? The play at this level is pretty horrible as a whole.
silkyjonson
QUOTE (Monty27 @ Wednesday, March 19th, 2008, 11:40 PM) *
Does the fact that this was a $1.20 9 player SNG change anything as far as ranges go? The play at this level is pretty horrible as a whole.

Yeah I guess it does, I don't know how those play but I would imagine they would'nt fold much so it makes your play better just based on the math

But you should train to get better and move up than understand that this would move more towards spewy the more you move up.
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