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AimHigher
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP2 (t1930)
MP3 (t1220)
CO (t1400)
Hero (t1470)
SB (t1400)
BB (t1640)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1440)
MP1 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T, T.
UTG raises to t60, 3 folds, MP3 calls t60, 1 fold, Hero calls t60, 1 fold, BB calls t40.

Flop: (t250) 6, 4, 5 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets t140, MP3 folds, Hero raises to t390, BB folds, UTG calls t250.

Turn: (t1030) K (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (t1030) T (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t1020 (All-In), UTG folds.

Final Pot: t1030

I thought about re-raising preflop, but I figured my tens aren't playing too well against an UTG raiser's range.

On the flop, I felt that if I smooth called his bet to keep the pot small, I would be under repping my hand and he might fire again on the turn regardless. I considered the possibility that he could have an overpair to my tens, so I was raising with the intention of folding to a shove.

The K was not a nice card, I thought that it may have hit his range, but it's only really hitting AK. I considered firing, but I thought that since I only had around 1k behind any bet would commit me to the pot.

On the river, I figure I'm probably not getting any value from his hand (because at this point I'm putting him on something like AhQx. Does the shove induce only better hands to call? And is there a better way to play this river? bet and call a shove?
copernicus
bet the turn, you dont want to give a free card to anything he has, fold if he reps the K.
AimHigher
QUOTE (copernicus @ Wednesday, March 19th, 2008, 4:36 AM) *
bet the turn, you dont want to give a free card to anything he has, fold if he reps the K.


Should I just be shoving the turn when he checks then? the pot is 1k and I only have 1k left.
copernicus
QUOTE (AimHigher @ Wednesday, March 19th, 2008, 12:54 AM) *
Should I just be shoving the turn when he checks then? the pot is 1k and I only have 1k left.


no, id bet around 300. Blinds are small enough that you can still fold. pushing isnt bad either tho, especially if youre not comfortable with short stack play.
jmbreslin
In general I try not to commit too many chips in such a marginal situation so early in a SnG. I'm fine with the PF call, but I'm not raising that flop. A small raise from UTG is often a solid hand, likely a pair bigger than your TT or AK/AKs. Your raise is not going to get him to fold a big pair, especially since you didn't reraise PF, and if any overcard hand includes the Ah, he's also not going anywhere. I'd probably float the flop and see what he does on the turn. If he checks the turn, them I'm firing and folding to a check-raise. It would cost you less than raising the flop and puts you in a better spot to take the pot, IMO. Besides, you still have BB to worry about, who could be sitting quietly with a flopped flush.
throwemaway
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Wednesday, March 19th, 2008, 5:05 AM) *
In general I try not to commit too many chips in such a marginal situation so early in a SnG. I'm fine with the PF call, but I'm not raising that flop. A small raise from UTG is often a solid hand, likely a pair bigger than your TT or AK/AKs. Your raise is not going to get him to fold a big pair, especially since you didn't reraise PF, and if any overcard hand includes the Ah, he's also not going anywhere. I'd probably float the flop and see what he does on the turn. If he checks the turn, them I'm firing and folding to a check-raise. It would cost you less than raising the flop and puts you in a better spot to take the pot, IMO. Besides, you still have BB to worry about, who could be sitting quietly with a flopped flush.

The problem with flatting here on the flop is that our hand looks like a flush draw, so if a blank falls off, then regardless of what UTG has, he should be firing again most likely..Its just a really crappy spot
AimHigher
QUOTE (copernicus @ Wednesday, March 19th, 2008, 4:57 AM) *
no, id bet around 300. Blinds are small enough that you can still fold. pushing isnt bad either tho, especially if youre not comfortable with short stack play.


What does a smallish bet like that represent?
silkyjonson
QUOTE (AimHigher @ Tuesday, March 18th, 2008, 9:54 PM) *
Should I just be shoving the turn when he checks then? the pot is 1k and I only have 1k left.


If your going to bet yes shove IMO.
copernicus
QUOTE (AimHigher @ Thursday, March 20th, 2008, 12:43 AM) *
What does a smallish bet like that represent?


most players would read it as a value bet at the buyins I play ($30-$100)
silkyjonson
QUOTE (copernicus @ Wednesday, March 19th, 2008, 11:34 PM) *
most players would read it as a value bet at the buyins I play ($30-$100)


Your also giving them a good price to draw though, so if your going to play just shove and take whatever leverage you have.
copernicus
QUOTE (silkyjonson @ Thursday, March 20th, 2008, 3:02 AM) *
Your also giving them a good price to draw though, so if your going to play just shove and take whatever leverage you have.


Its a break even price for them to draw at 4.4:1 chip wise. If youre a good short stack player I think thats a better gamble cash wise than pushing.
Poker Addict
QUOTE (AimHigher @ Tuesday, March 18th, 2008, 7:16 PM) *
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I thought about re-raising preflop, but I figured my tens aren't playing too well against an UTG raiser's range.

On the flop, I felt that if I smooth called his bet to keep the pot small, I would be under repping my hand and he might fire again on the turn regardless. I considered the possibility that he could have an overpair to my tens, so I was raising with the intention of folding to a shove.

The K was not a nice card, I thought that it may have hit his range, but it's only really hitting AK. I considered firing, but I thought that since I only had around 1k behind any bet would commit me to the pot.

On the river, I figure I'm probably not getting any value from his hand (because at this point I'm putting him on something like AhQx. Does the shove induce only better hands to call? And is there a better way to play this river? bet and call a shove?

Like the call pre - I don't get committed with marginal hands this early

Like the raise on the flop - You are right here as well. If he re-raises it will be for everything and you can fold

When it's checked to me after he flat calls our flop bet, I lead into him another $300. If he re-raises I can still get out.

If he calls the turn and we miss the river (not the miracle 10) then when it's checked to me, check behind. With that miracle ten, and your bet on the turn, you would have 700ish, he might be priced to call you.

Unless my math is off, you can get away from this hand with 700 left in your stack at a couple spots. The blinds are small and I think you have to be comfortable playing back from that level to win these consistently.
copernicus
QUOTE (Poker Addict @ Thursday, March 20th, 2008, 5:23 PM) *
Like the call pre - I don't get committed with marginal hands this early

Like the raise on the flop - You are right here as well. If he re-raises it will be for everything and you can fold

When it's checked to me after he flat calls our flop bet, I lead into him another $300. If he re-raises I can still get out.

If he calls the turn and we miss the river (not the miracle 10) then when it's checked to me, check behind. With that miracle ten, and your bet on the turn, you would have 700ish, he might be priced to call you.

Unless my math is off, you can get away from this hand with 700 left in your stack at a couple spots. The blinds are small and I think you have to be comfortable playing back from that level to win these consistently.


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Poker Addict
QUOTE (copernicus @ Thursday, March 20th, 2008, 2:51 PM) *
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Okay, I am pretty new here. What is GMTA? It's not in the FCP Dictionary Thread.
copernicus
QUOTE (Poker Addict @ Thursday, March 20th, 2008, 6:14 PM) *
Okay, I am pretty new here. What is GMTA? It's not in the FCP Dictionary Thread.


Its not FCP, its netspeak in general..Great Minds Think Alike.
Poker Addict
QUOTE (copernicus @ Thursday, March 20th, 2008, 3:14 PM) *
Its not FCP, its netspeak in general..Great Minds Think Alike.

Thanks. Not sure why I never got that one.
copernicus
QUOTE (Poker Addict @ Thursday, March 20th, 2008, 6:17 PM) *
Thanks. Not sure why I never got that one.


Probably something to do with Arizona, lol.
AimHigher
QUOTE (copernicus @ Thursday, March 20th, 2008, 10:14 PM) *
Its not FCP, its netspeak in general..Great Minds Think Alike.


I guessed, "Give Me That Action" then went to the FCP glossary to confirm, but couldn't. icon_confused.gif
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