Hi,

I am wondering what your preconditions for moving up in stakes are. Do you base this purely und bankroll-development?
What do you consider a proper winrate at a certain level in full-ring games to move up in stakes?

After an ugly period (total loss of 500$ in about 75.000 hands) I am currently running at 4.something BB per 100 hands for the last 6.000 hands. Playing perhaps a bit too tight every now and then and missing some value along the road by jamming with sets to early on drawy boards against multiple opponents.

I think the turn in development is really attributable to the "noble knight" and his friends here. Thank you all

Still a lot of the "clever thinking" from this forum is mostly not applicable at my current stakes, as a lot of opponents are dedicated luckboxes :-)
Does this get significantly better at higher stakes?

Is 4 BB/hand after 6K hands to little to move up?

6k hands probably isn't enough to say.

The question that you have ask and answer yourself is, "Do I have anything more to learn from playing these guys, or am I just grinding away a profit with an unchanging strategy?"

I thought this post on 2+2 was pretty good.

It is actually. Thanks.


If anyone here plays deepstack full ring games @ .10 BB -level or used to play there and moved up, I'd be interested in some winrates for comparison.

Great link, David.

To the OP, I think if you're fairly confident in your skills and you have a big enough bankroll to take a shot in the higher stakes, I say go for it. But your bankroll should never be in jeopardy. As soon as you lose enough money that you start playing scared, I think it's time to move back down for a while.

As you move up though, I think it's best not to change your strategy just because you're at a higher limit. I think you should play your solid game and still focus on the players and how they play and just adapt. Don't assume that because it's a higher limit player, that specific player might be more sophisticated. Remember what he's done so far and analyze that particular hand and don't make assumptions based on the stakes.

David is right that 6,000 hands is not a representative sample of much of anything. You should get at least 25k hands in to get a much better idea of how you will perform at a certain level.

Ok... working on that :-)

Im currently in the process of moving from 200nl to 400nl and what I have been doing is just game selecting the best games from both 400nl and 200nl with my usual mix of the very best 100nl games in there. I think this is the best way to go about it until you feel comfortable with the higher limit.

These bankroll rules you hear are for nits. I move up when I have two buy-ins for the new level. If I go bust, I can always get another 1,000.

Well, here's the exception to the rule, because you have to have a separate income. BaseJester can do this because he can "always get another 1,000". Not everyone has this luxury. If you have a single bankroll that you've been building up, you want to protect your bankroll and only take shots when you can afford to.

I still don't know what to think of this guy.

Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha.

I think this is a very good idea, game selection becomes more important as you move up in stakes so selecting the softest games when moving up should help a ton.

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OP 6K hands isn't much, you can easily have upswings and downswings that last longer than that. I had a stretch once where I ran 60bb/100 over 5K hands at $25 NL

My whole month is like one big 6,000 hand upswing for the most part. Just read my blog.

4BB/100 hands might be good. It depends on what you are making at the lower level. If you are doubling limits and making 8BB/100 hands, then moving up is a push profit wise. You are moving up for two reasons. 1. To make more money. 2. To learn to play better. I would weigh both of these factors and then decide.

Also, never move up if you turn out to be a net loser. I think you will have a pretty good idea whether you are a winner or a loser after you reach plus or minus 5 buy ins. If you lose 5 buy ins, time to move back down for awhile. If you you win 5 buy ins, you are going to start feeling pretty good about your move. Of course you will never know for sure either way until you have many more hands under your belt. But I think you can get a pretty good idea after only a few buy ins.

One other thing. If you are a multitable and moving up, you might want to play say half as many tables until you begin to feel comfortable at the new limit.