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mtdesmoines
NLHE 1/2/300

Hero has around $700 - $800.
Drunk guy sits down UTG with $200 and posts.

Action is on him, and he spends about 90 seconds raising to $5 with three carefully-selected white chips. He's having trouble functioning.

Series of random folds and calls ensues around to the button, who raises it to $30. Button has about $800, too. I play with the dude 3 nights a week and this is him raising with 88-JJ.

Hero is in BB with AQ sooted and calls the $30. This is where it gets weird. Drunk guy is literally swaying in his seat. His brow furrows and unfurrows about 30 times. He burbbles but doesn't speak. Then he asks the dealer, "Is this where I can go all in?" Dealer says, "Yes," and drunk guy spills his stack sort of into the middle. Folds around to button. Button laughs and says, "huh," thinks, thinks, thinks, then folds.

Hero announces, "I have no idea what to do. I hate folding. Really I have no clue what's happening." Nervous tension around the table is broken, and drunk guy looks at both cards, picks one and flips it over. It's an A.

Hero?
LJB723
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Monday, March 17th, 2008, 3:27 PM) *
NLHE 1/2/300

Hero has around $700 - $800.
Drunk guy sits down UTG with $200 and posts.

Action is on him, and he spends about 90 seconds raising to $5 with three carefully-selected white chips. He's having trouble functioning.

Series of random folds and calls ensues around to the button, who raises it to $30. Button has about $800, too. I play with the dude 3 nights a week and this is him raising with 88-JJ.

Hero is in BB with AQ sooted and calls the $30. This is where it gets weird. Drunk guy is literally swaying in his seat. His brow furrows and unfurrows about 30 times. He burbbles but doesn't speak. Then he asks the dealer, "Is this where I can go all in?" Dealer says, "Yes," and drunk guy spills his stack sort of into the middle. Folds around to button. Button laughs and says, "huh," thinks, thinks, thinks, then folds.

Hero announces, "I have no idea what to do. I hate folding. Really I have no clue what's happening." Nervous tension around the table is broken, and drunk guy looks at both cards, picks one and flips it over. It's an A.

Hero?


Ah we've all been here! I can never see this being <AQ. If it isn't AA or AK I'm a monkey's bare-arsed uncle. Fold and wait for another chance to get drunkie's chips.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (LJB723 @ Monday, March 17th, 2008, 7:35 AM) *
Ah we've all been here! I can never see this being <AQ. If it isn't AA or AK I'm a monkey's bare-arsed uncle. Fold and wait for another chance to get drunkie's chips.


If he has AA, he never shows me anything.
LJB723
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Monday, March 17th, 2008, 3:40 PM) *
If he has AA, he never shows me anything.


Maybe, but people do show a single A to tempt a call with AA. It will probably get a call from AK/Q, to let them think they will be in good shape.
DonkSlayer
He can't have AA here, I think mtdesmoines made a point to note that the villain checked both cards before showing the A.

Unless this is all an act, of course.

If this is some drunk gambler who just watches NL on TV, I have to put him on AK or AQ. AJ not often enough. I fold.
Acid_Knight
Just fold.

It's not actually a drunken old guy. He's a 24 year old internet pro who's feigning being intoxicated and wearing a full body suit and heavy make up in an attempt to throw people off of his game.

Since that's the case, he's got AA and you're drawing slim.
Webslinger516
So the thing you gotta figure out is... whether you think he's really drunk and that he doesn't know what he's doing, or whether this is an act. Seems to me that if he's posting under the gun, he's really loose. Also, if he has to fumble around checking which one is an A, it probably isn't AA. The massive overbet also seems weak. All these signs point to a bluff (probably something like A9, A10), but you have to be really sure because you have to call $170 for the $265 already in there.

I would talk to him a little longer and see how uncomfortable he is. I don't think he wants a call here. I would trust my instincts and if my instincts told me to call, I'd call.
NoBBiR
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Monday, March 17th, 2008, 7:59 AM) *
Just fold.

It's not actually a drunken old guy. He's a 24 year old internet pro who's feigning being intoxicated and wearing a full body suit and heavy make up in an attempt to throw people off of his game.

Since that's the case, he's got AA and you're drawing slim.


Exactly smile.gif Don't get super drunk leveled.
BaseJester
Fold to the $30. Even though you know the button's range, there's not much you can with it out of position with a drunk guy doing something crazy.

Since you called . . .

Show him your cards. There's a chance he'll show his other card just because it seems like the thing to do.

If he doesn't, then say, "I call. My other card is a bitch."

It doesn't even really matter that much if he makes this move with AA. It's just not ****ing likely when you hold an ace. The pot's laying you significant odds now. Don't pussy out. You're in a coin flip situation against ace-jack or better getting odds.
simo_8ball
He's drunk. Get him to turn the Ace back over because it's just confusing you. Then tell him the other card is the better one to turn over.
Temporary Nuts
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Monday, March 17th, 2008, 12:13 PM) *
He's drunk. Get him to turn the Ace back over because it's just confusing you. Then tell him the other card is the better one to turn over.



This one is simple.


Ask him what he wants you to do.


Confusion and hesitance = call

Instant/instantish answer, either way, is a fold
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (BaseJester @ Monday, March 17th, 2008, 9:10 AM) *
Fold to the $30. Even though you know the button's range, there's not much you can with it out of position with a drunk guy doing something crazy.


Wait. So I see one ace. I have an ace. There's two left in the entire deck. What are the odds he has AA? Slim.
And, since, like I said, if he's got AA, he won't show -- we're almost positive of that ... we have to put him on one hand and one hand only to fold to: AK. Anything else we Hellmuth our chips, right?

QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Monday, March 17th, 2008, 9:13 AM) *
He's drunk. Get him to turn the Ace back over because it's just confusing you. Then tell him the other card is the better one to turn over.


I like that. It would have worked. I'm almost positive.

QUOTE (Temporary Nuts @ Monday, March 17th, 2008, 9:23 AM) *
This one is simple.
Ask him what he wants you to do.
Confusion and hesitance = call
Instant/instantish answer, either way, is a fold


I did this. He's was literally incoherent.
BaseJester
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Monday, March 17th, 2008, 11:15 AM) *
Wait. So I see one ace. I have an ace. There's two left in the entire deck. What are the odds he has AA? Slim.
And, since, like I said, if he's got AA, he won't show -- we're almost positive of that ... we have to put him on one hand and one hand only to fold to: AK. Anything else we Hellmuth our chips, right?

To be clear, the part of my post you quoted regards the decision before the drunk pushes. I agree with what you're saying here, and in fact I made the same point in my post.

What's the point in playing AQs OOP in a huge reraised pot? We can't move the drunk off a top pair hand by semi-bluffing. If we out-flop the button, we're picking off a continuation bet and that's about it. If we're going to play a pair of aces for $200 against the drunk, wouldn't it be better to 4-bet preflop and play him heads-up?
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (BaseJester @ Monday, March 17th, 2008, 12:43 PM) *
To be clear, the part of my post you quoted regards the decision before the drunk pushes. I agree with what you're saying here, and in fact I made the same point in my post.

What's the point in playing AQs OOP in a huge reraised pot? We can't move the drunk off a top pair hand by semi-bluffing. If we out-flop the button, we're picking off a continuation bet and that's about it. If we're going to play a pair of aces for $200 against the drunk, wouldn't it be better to 4-bet preflop and play him heads-up?


Is this your first post without "bitches" in it somewhere?

Cone Gratts.

Anyway.

If I'm ahead of the drunk and flipping with the button, calling is a no brainer. And when I called the $30, I really had no idea he'd shove. He barely got the three white chips in.
BaseJester
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Monday, March 17th, 2008, 1:04 PM) *
Is this your first post without "bitches" in it somewhere?

Cone Gratts.

Shit. I'm slipping.

QUOTE
Anyway.

If I'm ahead of the drunk and flipping with the button, calling is a no brainer. And when I called the $30, I really had no idea he'd shove. He barely got the three white chips in.

Try to imagine the flops that are going to be opportunities to make a lot of money.
Try to imagine the flops that are going to be opportunities to lose a lot of money and say, "Son of a bitch!" (Check that off.)
David_Nicoson
Some stoving.

CODE
equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    
Hand 0:     17.168%      17.26%     00.17%          558497081       5368880.17   { random }
Hand 1:     40.342%      40.83%     00.11%         1321379979       3594071.67   { AQs }
Hand 2:     42.489%      42.95%     00.17%         1390117692       5368880.17   { JJ-88 }


CODE
equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    
Hand 0:     51.536%      38.72%     12.82%           95460600      31613070.00   { AA, AJs+, AJo+ }
Hand 1:     48.464%      35.64%     12.82%           87885036      31613070.00   { AQs }
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