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a desperado6
No HH here because this hand is live.

Blinds .25 -.50


Hero : $65.50

Button : $62

i can't seem to remember the other stacks, but they are irellevent to this hand.


Button limps, SB limps, Hero checks with A2 icon_suit_heart.gif . Flop rolls out 10 icon_suit_spade.gif 5 icon_suit_club.gif 3 icon_suit_diamond.gif. SB and I both check to the button, who bets .75. SB folds and i elect to call. Turn is the tasty 4 icon_suit_heart.gif . I check to him, and he bets $2. I just smooth call. River is a Jack. I bet 5 bucks and try to make it seem like I'm bluffing. He announces 15 more pretty quick. Hero?
whatgreatis
I think you can clean up this hand history a little bit. For future reference use paragraphs and spaces and include how much is in the pot.


I think you should raise preflop. Ax is probably the best hand. If you do that this whole hand plays different and a lot easier imo.

I would raise the turn. Please get more money in when your almost certainly the favorite.

Go all in on the river. If he has you beat it's a cooler.

(edit: I mean go all in after he reraises you to 15.)
a desperado6
QUOTE (whatgreatis @ Saturday, March 15th, 2008, 9:41 PM) *
I think you can clean up this hand history a little bit. For future reference use paragraphs and spaces and include how much is in the pot.
I think you should raise preflop. Ax is probably the best hand. If you do that this whole hand plays different and a lot easier imo.

I would raise the turn. Please get more money in when your almost certainly the favorite.

Go all in on the river. If he has you beat it's a cooler.

(edit: I mean go all in after he reraises you to 15.)



Thanks for the input. I'm not a forum regular but I'll get the hang of it.



As for raising the turn i have to agree. But shoving the river, what is his calling range, and for that matter, what is his hand range?
whatgreatis
QUOTE (a desperado6 @ Saturday, March 15th, 2008, 10:01 PM) *
Thanks for the input. I'm not a forum regular but I'll get the hang of it.
what is his calling range, and for that matter, what is his hand range?


J10/44/55/33/67 are his river calling ranges. You can adjust depending on how tight or loose he is.

His range up to the river reraise is the same and a lot of 10x hands, some midpairs. Reads help narrow his range a lot, does he limp with midpairs on the button?

Anyway, you're way ahead of his calling ranges.
TB17
Hero announces all in.
DCJ001
Hero loses to 6 7 and wishes that he would have raised preflop to evacuate any junk hands like 6 7.
a desperado6
QUOTE (DCJ001 @ Saturday, March 15th, 2008, 10:35 PM) *
Hero loses to 6 7 and wishes that he would have raised preflop to evacuate any junk hands like 6 7.




yeah that is exactly what happened haha. But you think i should have raised in the BB with A2 on a button limper? That just seems a little weird to me.
whatgreatis
QUOTE (a desperado6 @ Sunday, March 16th, 2008, 10:36 AM) *
yeah that is exactly what happened haha. But you think i should have raised in the BB with A2 on a button limper? That just seems a little weird to me.


It'll take a little while to know when you need to bet for value preflop. Here's what happens like 75% of the time.


Button limps. sb completes. hero raises to $2 total.

button folds. sb folds. Hero wins.

or

button calls. sb folds.
flop-
hero leads for 3/4th pot. button folds.



I'm just starting to get a little better with preflop situations myself.
a desperado6
QUOTE (whatgreatis @ Sunday, March 16th, 2008, 10:46 AM) *
It'll take a little while to know when you need to bet for value preflop. Here's what happens like 75% of the time.
Button limps. sb completes. hero raises to $2 total.

button folds. sb folds. Hero wins.

or

button calls. sb folds.
flop-
hero leads for 3/4th pot. button folds.
I'm just starting to get a little better with preflop situations myself.




I haven't really heard anybody talk about making a play like this. Most people say not to raise out of blinds when you are deep unless you are quite strong.
whatgreatis
QUOTE (a desperado6 @ Sunday, March 16th, 2008, 10:50 AM) *
I haven't really heard anybody talk about making a play like this.


That's because not many people play poker well.




You're not really that deep. Just over 100bb.

I wouldn't raise out of the BB if say, mp1 limps, mp2 limps, button limps, sb completes. I'd probably check that spot. But it getting folded around to the button and he open limps, it screams of weakness.

You wouldn't think twice about raising AK here right? Well, same principal. Ax is good right now, you need to raise for value. Get money into the pot when you're a favorite. If the same situation happened to me my raising range would be any two broadway, any pocket pair, any ace and a lot of sooted connectors. I'd throw in a random trash hand too, to help balance my range.
NoBBiR
BBFIDTS.

Just shove the river and take your medicine if you're beat.
a desperado6
QUOTE (NoBBiR @ Sunday, March 16th, 2008, 12:09 PM) *
BBFIDTS.

Just shove the river and take your medicine if you're beat.




Thanks for telling me the bad beat forum is down the street, but i don't remember complaining at all...
NoBBiR
I didn't say you did, I'm just saying: there really isn't anything you can do, it's a bad beat if your wheel is not the best hand, and we can't really offer you much strategy because you have the third nuts and a very dry board, and the only hands that beat you are other gutshots (both of which are pretty stupid, imo, to bet with on the flop). It's 35935972039x more likely that he is holding a two pair/set hand here, than a better straight.

He's going to call you on the river with top two or a set INSTANTLY if you shove, so just shove for value. If you're beat, just fling your cards into the muck and whip out some more dough.
king_tanner
All in splash the pot Hellmuth style

Was this in a cash game with greek people, or were you actually playing in Greece? I was there last year and there were no card rooms to be found where I was.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (a desperado6 @ Saturday, March 15th, 2008, 9:36 PM) *
No HH here because this hand is live.

Blinds .25 -.50
Hero : $65.50

Button : $62

i can't seem to remember the other stacks, but they are irellevent to this hand.
Button limps, SB limps, Hero checks with A2 icon_suit_heart.gif . Flop rolls out 10 icon_suit_spade.gif 5 icon_suit_club.gif 3 icon_suit_diamond.gif. SB and I both check to the button, who bets .75. SB folds and i elect to call. Turn is the tasty 4 icon_suit_heart.gif . I check to him, and he bets $2. I just smooth call. River is a Jack. I bet 5 bucks and try to make it seem like I'm bluffing. He announces 15 more pretty quick. Hero?


Any raise other than a shove is pretty much a min raise, so shove.
a desperado6
QUOTE (king_tanner @ Sunday, March 16th, 2008, 10:16 PM) *
All in splash the pot Hellmuth style

Was this in a cash game with greek people, or were you actually playing in Greece? I was there last year and there were no card rooms to be found where I was.



Just a bunch greek people
CobaltBlue
I'm glad that you qualified that they were Greek. If they were Turks, this advice would be entirely different...

1) Raise pre-flop a good portion of the time for the reasons that everyone already said. Then c-bet the flop if necessary.

2) If you elect to check pre-flop, bet the flop.

3) If you elect to check both pre-flop and flop, raise when button bets and SB folds.

4) If you elect to check/call here (not something I like...at all) with a gut-shot and over, then check/raise the turn.

5) As played, hard to not shove the river.
whatgreatis
QUOTE (CobaltBlue @ Monday, March 17th, 2008, 10:33 PM) *
3) If you elect to check both pre-flop and flop, raise when button bets and SB folds.


Yeah, I'm not really a fan of check/calling that flop either.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (CobaltBlue @ Monday, March 17th, 2008, 10:33 PM) *
I'm glad that you qualified that they were Greek. If they were Turks, this advice would be entirely different...


I was in Vegas one time and a British guy had a mega stack. I sat by him and he racks up and says, "Want to know something? The gent there, see him? He's Turk. They never fold. And he has buckets of money. Good luck."

From $200 to $2000 in 2 hours. Then my Turk left.
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