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mtdesmoines
Villain is unpredictable (different villain) and will call, hold and shove ATC at any time.

Note: same game as hand I just posted. The players in this game aren't bad. There's usually five or six of us all sitting on $1,000 or more and two or three people sitting on about $80. Naturally, we're making this play like a 5/10 game. Anyway.

$1/$2/$300 NLHE
Relevant stacks:
Hero: $1250 BB
Villain: $420 UTG

Note on villain: has raised to $17 in two of three previous hands: once holding T4o and once holding 94s.

Preflop:
Hero is UTG and raises to $10 with As5s.
caller caller caller ... villain makes it $45 to go.
Hero calls, caller, caller.

Flop ($180) A 3 4 (whole board rolls out rainbow, so forget about flush draws)
Hero leads for $75, fold fold, villain calls.

Turn: T (A 3 4) ($330)
Hero checks, villain bets $130, hero calls.

River: 3 (T A 3 4)
Hero checks, villain shoves (like $212), hero _____s .

Evaluate.
BaseJester
Your action is all jacked up. Are you the BB or UTG?
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (BaseJester @ Saturday, March 15th, 2008, 11:39 AM) *
Your action is all jacked up. Are you the BB or UTG?


I played the hand OOP to the villain.
BaseJester
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Saturday, March 15th, 2008, 12:20 PM) *
I played the hand OOP to the villain.

So he's the button or something?
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (BaseJester @ Saturday, March 15th, 2008, 12:55 PM) *
So he's the button or something?


It would seem. Heads up it doesn't really matter. I'm first. He's second.
BaseJester
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Saturday, March 15th, 2008, 1:15 PM) *
It would seem. Heads up it doesn't really matter. I'm first. He's second.

I think raising from the button preflop tells me something different than raising from the blind preflop.
king_tanner
I think he has you out-kicked. I would probably check/fold turn.

High pocket pair is also a possibility though. This hand is tough.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (BaseJester @ Saturday, March 15th, 2008, 1:20 PM) *
I think raising from the button preflop tells me something different than raising from the blind preflop.


let's say he's CO
whatgreatis
How many handed is this game? I might be a nit but if this is full ring I'll usually dump A5, even if it is sooted.

I think 3betting hero is a lot different than randomly open raising. With that said, if you think you're ahead of his range preflop or if he can lay down midpairs and decent aces I don't mind 4betting. There's a decent amount of dead money in the middle and you've repped a very strong hand. My 4bet amount would be $245.

Unless he's shown he's an absolute money spewing maniac I'd fold the river.
CobaltBlue
Unless this 6-handed, I'm not happy about raising UTG at all. I much prefer folding. If the game's loose-passive pre-flop, I can see limping here. I understand that we're trying to bloat the pot to make the game play bigger, but the presence of the tiny stacks really cuts into our flexibility.

Once we get repopped, I understand the desire to call because it'll draw in the other callers behind and we have implied, but I fold. We'll be out of position to the field against a loose-cannon with an easily dominated hand. If I call, I guess I can see donkbetting because of that factor that I just mentioned (it puts the field in an awkward spot), but I really really hate donkbetting...particularly with mediocre hands. If I'm villain, I probably would've raised you my stack in that spot with ATC.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Saturday, March 15th, 2008, 11:16 AM) *
Villain is unpredictable (different villain) and will call, hold and shove ATC at any time.
...
Note on villain: has raised to $17 in two of three previous hands: once holding T4o and once holding 94s.


QUOTE (CobaltBlue @ Monday, March 17th, 2008, 10:47 PM) *
Unless this 6-handed, I'm not happy about raising UTG at all. I much prefer folding. If the game's loose-passive pre-flop, I can see limping here. I understand that we're trying to bloat the pot to make the game play bigger, but the presence of the tiny stacks really cuts into our flexibility.

Once we get repopped, I understand the desire to call because it'll draw in the other callers behind and we have implied, but I fold. We'll be out of position to the field against a loose-cannon with an easily dominated hand. If I call, I guess I can see donkbetting because of that factor that I just mentioned (it puts the field in an awkward spot), but I really really hate donkbetting...particularly with mediocre hands. If I'm villain, I probably would've raised you my stack in that spot with ATC.


This is a live game. I think we were only sitting 8 players, though.

This particular villain plays back at me with ATC a lot. This game is loose preflop, tight passive post flop. Which is a dream for me: pump up a pot pre, take it post. It's like printing money. I know I've always said that old men and Asians won't lay down any ace, but I felt like my ace was good here.

When he just calls my flop bet, I pretty much am certain that I am ahead and he hated the ace. I checked the turn to see if he'd try to push me around, and he did. My only worry on the river was that he played ATC and hooked trip threes or landed a set/boat somewhere. But in the end I decided my original read was right and he was trying to make me lay down an ace. I called, showed my A and he mucked. He told me later it was JJ. I half believe him.

I agree this is a bad gamble PF with a hand that's easily dominated.

There is a thread in gen po where Steve7 posts a video link .... and it turns into an attack on Steve7 a little, but there's also some nuggets in there from JC where he sweats live players and posts about totally not understanding the play and that's it would be very very difficult to learn from watching live gamese play out because there's a lot of talk about "feelings" and etc. eg: "why did you make that play?" answer: "I felt like it was good."

I knew this villain would play back at me, even if I "won" the flop, so I played the hand with him. I was +4 buy ins deep and when you go that deep, I feel you have a lot of lattitude, especially when you are HU against someone who shoves light, or can shove with what they know is a worse hand.
CobaltBlue
You'll notice that I didn't say that you should fold post. Given your read, I do think you have to make this calldown frequently.
Canute
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Saturday, March 15th, 2008, 12:16 PM) *
Villain is unpredictable (different villain) and will call, hold and shove ATC at any time.

Note: same game as hand I just posted. The players in this game aren't bad. There's usually five or six of us all sitting on $1,000 or more and two or three people sitting on about $80. Naturally, we're making this play like a 5/10 game. Anyway.

$1/$2/$300 NLHE
Relevant stacks:
Hero: $1250 BB
Villain: $420 UTG

Note on villain: has raised to $17 in two of three previous hands: once holding T4o and once holding 94s.

Preflop:
Hero is UTG and raises to $10 with As5s.
caller caller caller ... villain makes it $45 to go.
Hero calls, caller, caller.

Flop ($180) A 3 4 (whole board rolls out rainbow, so forget about flush draws)
Hero leads for $75, fold fold, villain calls.

Turn: T (A 3 4) ($330)
Hero checks, villain bets $130, hero calls.

River: 3 (T A 3 4)
Hero checks, villain shoves (like $212), hero _____s .

Evaluate.



Fold here I think. He probably has a bigger ace. I think you probably should have folded the turn, although you did have outs.
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