I think Obamas pastor has just lit a fire under the butts of all those clowns who were gonna sit out this election if MCcain was the nominee.

In fact I dont think MCcain even needs to campaign anymore.

Ty, Ty , Ty.

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FYP

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You are correct sir. It's not so much the good reverend though as much as it is Obamas unwillingness so far to distance himself. We will have to see how he answers the questions that are coming. Listening to what I have heard fo far, though, it may not matter. If McCain was spending his Sundays at Klan rallies it would be end of the line- I don't think this will be any different, unless the correct questions aren't asked, which I think they will be.


Edit: He has distanced himself, just not to the degree that will be required to make the voter forget.

You guys are so silly. Do you remember all the scandals that happened in August? I don't either. Will you remember this three months down the road? Maybe. Will it effect the election much? No, not if Obama handles it properly.

It will if those with voices report it correctly. Again... if McCain were attending Klan rallies you would hear about it, day and night, non-stop, without fail. There IS a double standard here. It's really the first time in awhile that I think it's appropriate to bring race into the conversation. He had a racist on his staff, spoke of him as his top spiritual adviser, on top of that this close adviser preaches hatred of America to his people- and we wonder WHY Michele Obama wasn't proud to be an American?

The damage from this will be extensive insomuch as those that report refuse to let it go.

I'm not sure what I'm missing. I thought the pastor's comments on race were a bit over the top, but not really racist or offensive. They were part of the culture of victim-hood, which is the Dem's ace-in-the-hole on most issues: you're a victim of an oppressive white male society, therefore we need program <insert massive wasteful program name here>. So why are his comments any worse than any other claim of special status via victimhood?

As to his allegedly "unpatriotic" comments, I don't see why so many people in America feel the need to believe that 9/11 was a random act without a cause. That's idiotic and naive. The terrorists have repeatedly told us why they attacked, and they say it was because of our foreign policy. But when someone repeats *what the people who did the attack say*, they are "unpatriotic"? That's the most retarded bit of logic around. Some people say "it's because of our freedom and wealth". Not only is that stupid and untrue, but isn't that also saying "we invited the attacks"? Is it somehow patriotic to say we invited the attacks because 300 million people think freely, but unpatriotic if we say we invited the attacks because a few hundred elected representatives have chosen a horrible foreign policy? WTF?

What you are missing is this- Mitt Romney was villified day and night for his allegiance to Mormonism, with no real cause, he had no ties to the Mormonism of old, he was just Mormon. The way it was reported, you would think Warren Jeffs was on his staff.

Enter now: Liberal media doesn't want to talk about this, Obamas ties to this guy. Anderson Cooper asking "Why do I have to talk about this?" Why? Why? Shit, it's an easy story, no convolution needed, no leaps of logic like the Romney stories needed, and the question is "Why do I have to talk about this?" What, news not good enough for you when it doesn't put your views out there in the correct light, Anderson?

As far as why what he is on tape saying at sermons is racist, come one. Have you heard what has been said, just in December 2007 alone? Anyone who isn't seeing the racism is choosing not to. By the way, I agree that it's part of a culture of victimization, that being said I don't agree with those views, you are who you want to be. It's not whiteys fault, it's not republicans fault, it, for the most part, is your own fault. Do I really need to start a religion of self responsibility?

Who is saying that 9/11 had no cause? I recall Jerry Fallwell saying it had a cause, and it was Americas fault, and being absolutely BLASTED for it. The thing is, most democrats believe that it is our fault, and it is to some extent, but not because whitey runs shit, or because we bombed Nagasaki or Hiroshima. There is a hatred for America that runs very deep in the democratic party right now and it makes no sense at all.

So two wrongs make a right? (Wright? Hahahahaha). Romney was unfairly attacked, so now we should equally unfairly attack Obama? Why bother with either of them?

And no, I haven't heard everything Wright said. The summaries I saw basically just said that Obama will have a harder time because he is black, and Hillary doesn't know what it's like to be part of an oppressed minority. What's so terrible about that?

As for 9/11, if people are saying it had no cause, then they are in some way blaming us -- whether it's for "our freedom", "our wealth", or "our idiotic foreign policy". The terrorists agree with one of these, and it seems to be the one that Wright mentioned.

What are you saying?

Attending a racist church with an anti american pastor is not newsworthy if you want to be prez.?

I knew there was something more to his wife then met the eye.

ANYWAY, All i WAS implying is that thanks to good old rev, there wont be as many people sitting this one out now.

Listen to what was said first and then get back to me. I think you may change your mind. He is clearly painting, advocating a white vs. black mindset.

OK, I found the video, and still say 'bleh'. It's more of the politics of victimhood. It has a huge audience. I haven't seen any evidence of Obama playing that card. Would he once he gets in office? Who knows, Bush promised smaller government. Yeah, the guy is a ranting lunatic. Does this reflect poorly on Obama? It's not like this was one of his closest advisors, right?

I'm not an Obama fan, but this seems like much ado about nothing.

Yes, blacks still face obstacles in this country. Yes, they have to work harder to prove themselves. Yes, they are harassed by the police. Like many racial issues, this one is a tough line to walk between racism and open discussion.

Ummmm, yes. Out of Obamas own mouth, "closest spiritual adviser" and officially employed by his campaign until days ago.

Once again, if McCain was going to Klan meeting once a week and his closest spiritual adviser just happened to be a Grand Dragon shit would hit the fan 24-7.

You are who you associate with, or didn't your parents teach you that? Obamas trying to play it off like he is just some crazy uncle, but by being a part of that church he supports his message, hiring him as part of his campaign makes it even worse. It's a huge deal, whether dems want to admit it or not. I certainly will vote for McCain now directly because of this- I had been considering Obama.

Er, here is the comment he got blasted for:

"I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.'"


So no, he did not blame America. He blamed lesbians and the ACLU. It's just an unbelievably ridiculous statement, and as anybody would expect he caught flak for it.

I mean he blamed the People For the American Way???? It's a joke, he might as well blame the Jews and Gypsies.

FYP


I watched almost 3 hours of fox and this was their only story, one democrat brought up Mcains spirtual guide who is a racist and an anti semetic and they quickly brushed it off saying it was a completely different story

Ummm, if you were aware of what I was talking about you would know that his minister was talking about Nagasaki and Hiroshima. I am well aware that it had nothing to do with it.

I submit that Obamas pastor was much worse, i that it went beyond that- he blamed EVERYBODY, and claimed that God had damned america and that furthermore it was in the Bible. What do you have to say to that?

So much of this is wrong I don't even feel like it's worth my time.

Wow. You must shower in wrong, shave with it and then put on cloaks of ignorance.

whatgreatis wrote:

"We care about our country like parents care for their children."

This attitude is what bothers me about the Democratic party more than anything. I'm tired of government trying to be our daddy. It promotes a culture of irresponsibility. It doesn't teach people to act for themselves or try to help themselves, because government will always be there to pick them up if they fall.

Frankly, I think the democratic party is largely to blame of a lot of the poverty (especially among African-Americans) in this country. They talk the talk, but they'd just as soon keep these people down so that they'll keep voting for them.

The founding fathers would be sick if they could see the state of this country today.

i agree


our country is in its decline

quote me on that

I lol'd.

So are you saying that fox news doctored the videos? Or are you saying... the fact that Obama's Pastor of the last 20 years, the person who presided over his wedding and the baptism of his children, the person who gave him the title of his book, and the top spiritual adviser to his campaign, spewed a bunch of anti-American and anti-semitic rhetoric, basically saying the USA is the root of all evil in the world, is not newsworthy.

Just Curious

Oh it's newsworthy... funniest shit I've seen since Clayton Williams