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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

Button (t4785)
SB (t9000)
Hero (t12000)
UTG (t10210)
UTG+1 (t25135)
MP1 (t27910)
MP2 (t11883)
MP3 (t12700)
CO (t4895)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J icon_suit_club.gif , 9 icon_suit_spade.gif .
3 folds, MP2 raises to t1200, 2 folds, Button calls t1200, SB calls t900, Hero folds.
copernicus
The stacks are deep enough that 5.5:1 is plenty, especially with a straight draw hand, which will be much better disguised than a flush draw hand and more likely to get paid off. Of course if it had gone limp/min-raise/call then calling is very dependent on what the limpers tendencies have been. Youre not closing out the betting and if he has ever limp/reraised, then you may well be wasting the 600 chips.
jjgoldy5
lol if MP2 has done this minraise bullshit before, I'd freakin shove my stack into his eye.

The flat callers cant have anything too strong.
Wingman008
QUOTE (jjgoldy5 @ Friday, March 14th, 2008, 3:36 PM) *
lol if MP2 has done this minraise bullshit before, I'd freakin shove my stack into his eye.


I'm not sure why, but this made me lol.

Also, you have odds.
MovingIn
The open min-raise is often an endgame bluff to piss off the shorter stacks, those behind hoping for FIV, and to confuse the bigger stacks. A call and seeing a flop isn't a bad counter.
Muckuup
I actually hate a call in this spot because your very dependant on one straight 7810. With 3 people already in the pot I get rid of this for 10% of my stack because you need a miracle flop in my opinion to get any kinda value outta this.
TravisG
QUOTE (Muckuup @ Wednesday, March 19th, 2008, 8:51 PM) *
you need a miracle flop


nah.
AndyZ28
QUOTE (jjgoldy5 @ Friday, March 14th, 2008, 3:36 PM) *
lol if MP2 has done this minraise bullshit before, I'd freakin shove my stack into his eye.

The flat callers cant have anything too strong.



I'm going with this guy. I think I'd shove here. You've got everyone in the pot out chipped and there's 4,200(counting your BB) in free money out there. I think you've got enough fold equity to pull it off. If the initial raiser actually has a hand, call him a jackass for min-raising. Probably has AK and isn't folding his hand to your shove.

Calling isn't bad, but you're most likely going to fold on the flop anyway unless you hit JJx, 78T, 99x, 9Jx, or TQx. I think calling here is just burning 600 chips. Shove or fold IMO.
copernicus
QUOTE (AndyZ28 @ Wednesday, March 19th, 2008, 9:51 PM) *
I'm going with this guy. I think I'd shove here. You've got everyone in the pot out chipped and there's 4,200(counting your BB) in free money out there. I think you've got enough fold equity to pull it off. If the initial raiser actually has a hand, call him a jackass for min-raising. Probably has AK and isn't folding his hand to your shove.

Calling isn't bad, but you're most likely going to fold on the flop anyway unless you hit JJx, 78T, 99x, 9Jx, or TQx. I think calling here is just burning 600 chips. Shove or fold IMO.


600 chips (1bb out of 19) arent critical at this point, whereas stacking one of the villains is huge. Note that there are essentially 3 stratas of stacks...2 monsters, 5 within a few bbs, and 2 small. Burn 600 chips and you are still in the middle of the pack of 5, double up and youre a monster. (Gigabets block theory..or my interpretation of it...is that you take extra risks in this situation because the 600 chips doesnt impact your relative position at all.)


Also yJx or Jxx are playable as long as y isnt an A, and some y9x and 9xx hands are playable if there is weakness shown on by the other hands.
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