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higher_flyer
Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $594.42
UTG+1: $136.40
Hero: $536.64
Button: $431.95
SB: $224.90
BB: $313.10

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with J icon_suit_heart.gif A icon_suit_diamond.gif
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises to $12, 3 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds.

Flop: A icon_suit_spade.gif J icon_suit_diamond.gif 2 icon_suit_diamond.gif ($29, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $25, UTG raises to $50, Hero raises to $125, UTG raises all-in $532.42.

Opp is 28/10, AF 1.5. I was 24/20, AF 4-5. No big pots played between us before and no interesting pots played by him that I could remember at the time of the hand. Call or fold?
SpeedKills
QUOTE (higher_flyer @ Friday, March 14th, 2008, 10:48 AM) *
Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $594.42
UTG+1: $136.40
Hero: $536.64
Button: $431.95
SB: $224.90
BB: $313.10

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with J icon_suit_heart.gif A icon_suit_diamond.gif
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises to $12, 3 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds.

Flop: A icon_suit_spade.gif J icon_suit_diamond.gif 2 icon_suit_diamond.gif ($29, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $25, UTG raises to $50, Hero raises to $125, UTG raises all-in $532.42.

Opp is 28/10, AF 1.5. I was 24/20, AF 4-5. No big pots played between us before and no interesting pots played by him that I could remember at the time of the hand. Call or fold?

I dont think I could fold this. 22 is the only hand I could see that he has that beats you and I dont think he plays it that fast. I probably couldnt fold, but thats why ISAP.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (higher_flyer @ Friday, March 14th, 2008, 10:48 AM) *
Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $594.42
UTG+1: $136.40
Hero: $536.64
Button: $431.95
SB: $224.90
BB: $313.10

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with J icon_suit_heart.gif A icon_suit_diamond.gif
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises to $12, 3 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds.

Flop: A icon_suit_spade.gif J icon_suit_diamond.gif 2 icon_suit_diamond.gif ($29, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $25, UTG raises to $50, Hero raises to $125, UTG raises all-in $532.42.

Opp is 28/10, AF 1.5. I was 24/20, AF 4-5. No big pots played between us before and no interesting pots played by him that I could remember at the time of the hand. Call or fold?



Did he really check-min-raise you after check-calling a PF raise?
He holds a monster of epic proportions.
Anyone else think so?
a desperado6
Muck 'em
simo_8ball
If you're gonna play the game, boy, you gotta learn to play it right.
You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
Know when to run.
simo_8ball
- He's almost never value shoving a worse made hand
- He almost never check/minraise/shoves with QdTd, KdTd, KdQd.
- He is almost never bluffing.

I think his range here is >85% 22, and maybe AJ or JJ in there somewhere.

If you didn't have the Ad I this would be tougher.
higher_flyer
For a good player, you're probably right, but don't you think as this is Party and he doesn't seem great, he might be overvalueing AK-AQ...um...A2s? Oh yeah there was kind of a weird thing as well in that every bet and raise was fast, like checkbetraisereraisepausefortwosecsall-in. That made me even more want to call.
Acid_Knight
1. This board isn't that dry.
2. I can see folding top two pair here.
3. I don't think it's the worst play in the world to call either.

There are 6 combos of 22. There are 4 combos of AJ and 6 combos of A2. Throw in some possible draws and I can see calling here.

I would guess this is 22 probably 60-75% of the time.

I also agree with Simo that if you didn't have the Ad, I'd snap call the shove.
higher_flyer
Yes when I wrote the title I hadn't checked over the board, which is moiste, definitely not dry. So are we saying call or fold? I know top two isn't the nuts so I could fold here without going on monkey tilt.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (higher_flyer @ Friday, March 14th, 2008, 1:28 PM) *
Yes when I wrote the title I hadn't checked over the board, which is moiste, definitely not dry. So are we saying call or fold? I know top two isn't the nuts so I could fold here without going on monkey tilt.

I think it's probably fairly close either way TBH, which means that it's probably not a very large mistake to either call or to fold.
ROBBBIGG
250BBs I'm not happy calling or folding. 100BBs deep would've made this so much easier, but I assume there are some bad players @ 1/2 making playing that deep profitable.
higher_flyer
It seems odd that for such a large amount, the decision would appear so close. Let me know if you want the results.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (higher_flyer @ Friday, March 14th, 2008, 3:18 PM) *
It seems odd that for such a large amount, the decision would appear so close. Let me know if you want the results.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you called and he had 22 or AJ or A2. Probably in that order.
TrueAce13
I think this is either 22 of AJs b/c of the limp/call UTG. I'm leaning more towards 22 b/c of how the hand was played out. Villain seems to be wanting you to have AK or something.

But still, tough spot here to fold, but I think it is the correct move
higher_flyer
You know, I was disappointed with how I played this hand. I did call, almost without thinking. I think my biggest leaks come with big hands. Anyway, the board bricked off and I ... won ... looking back I should have probably folded ... but ... he had ... AQ. You poor americans missing out on the Party.
Sheiky
QUOTE (higher_flyer @ Friday, March 14th, 2008, 10:44 PM) *
You know, I was disappointed with how I played this hand. I did call, almost without thinking. I think my biggest leaks come with big hands. Anyway, the board bricked off and I ... won ... looking back I should have probably folded ... but ... he had ... AQ. You poor americans missing out on the Party.


What part exactly?

I know it's better to not be results orientated, but you shouldn't beat yourself up about making the right call, if his range here includes Ax, then you 100% made the right call. Us sitting on our computers analysing this hand didn't consider that to be a possibility (or at least a very big one).

Being disapointed because you insta called is a good thing though.
Acid_Knight
LOL. If he will do this with AQ, then he'd do it with a draw as well and this turns from a close to neutral EV situation into a omfgfistpumpinstacallgetmymoneyintothepotasfastasican call
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