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mikednuts
Right now bluffing is a very small part of my game and I'm trying to figure out the spots where I can push a big bluff through and where there simply isn't enough fold equity to make it profitable to fire another shell.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($25)
UTG ($14.20)
MP ($76.75)
Button ($24.50)
SB ($24.95)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K.
2 folds, Button raises to $0.75, SB calls $0.65, Hero raises to $4, Button calls $3.25, SB folds.

Flop: ($8.75) 4, 8, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $6, Button calls $6.

Turn: ($20.75) 8 (2 players)

Final Pot: $20.75



Villain had been somewhat tight/weak and hadn't shown a propensity to call with suited connectors which leads me to doubt that his hand was terribly strong once the board paired 88. Playing the hand strong pre and on the flop is another bet +ev?
Kaveros
nope. if you bet here again shame on you.
mtdesmoines
You re-raised way too much pre flop. Now you don't have enough of a chip ceiling to bluff under. Besides that, the villain called a 12x BB raise PF. He ain't goin nowhere.
simo_8ball
I usually shove into his TT here.

Check/folding is probably better.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Thursday, March 13th, 2008, 3:06 PM) *
I usually shove into his TT here.

Since he's never folding and you're never winning, this would be what they call, "a leak" in the business.

c/f the turn.

Preflop reraise is too big also.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Thursday, March 13th, 2008, 10:08 PM) *
Since he's never folding and you're never winning, this would be what they call, "a leak" in the business.

I should say "I USED to shove" in this spot. I've actually learned some kind of discipline lately, and only usually do that now when I do expect some fold equity. ish.
BaseJester
If you raised all-in preflop, then you wouldn't have this problem. You know you're going to miss the flop most of the time. This shouldn't be a surprise.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (BaseJester @ Thursday, March 13th, 2008, 10:18 PM) *
If you raised all-in preflop, then you wouldn't have this problem. You know you're going to miss the flop most of the time. This shouldn't be a surprise.

Epic.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Thursday, March 13th, 2008, 3:21 PM) *
Epic.

Joke account?

Probably not.
mikednuts
The formula I usually use for a raise is 3xbet plus the pot. Too much usually?
simo_8ball
QUOTE (mikednuts @ Thursday, March 13th, 2008, 10:30 PM) *
The formula I usually use for a raise is 3xbet plus the pot. Too much usually?

Just a tad.

Usually a pot sized raise plus a couple of bb is good.
BaseJester
QUOTE (mikednuts @ Thursday, March 13th, 2008, 2:30 PM) *
The formula I usually use for a raise is 3xbet plus the pot. Too much usually?

Well, what do you want to happen? Do you want him to fold AJ or AQ? He's going to call that with pockets.

This way you end up bluffing your whole stack after you missed.
mikednuts
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Thursday, March 13th, 2008, 3:08 PM) *
Since he's never folding and you're never winning, this would be what they call, "a leak" in the business.

c/f the turn.

Preflop reraise is too big also.


The thing about Acid's replies is that the information makes me feel much smarter, but the delivery somehow make me feel really stupid. icon_drool.gif
You are of course correct sir.
StilettoNole
QUOTE (BaseJester @ Thursday, March 13th, 2008, 3:18 PM) *
If you raised all-in preflop, then you wouldn't have this problem. You know you're going to miss the flop most of the time. This shouldn't be a surprise.

Thank you for this. I laughed hard.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (mikednuts @ Thursday, March 13th, 2008, 3:35 PM) *
The thing about Acid's replies is that the information makes me feel much smarter, but the delivery somehow make me feel really stupid. icon_drool.gif

This might be the best assessment of my posting style ever.

Well done.

In fact, welcome to my sig!
simo_8ball
Acid_Knight sucks ass.

Sig that, bitch.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Thursday, March 13th, 2008, 4:05 PM) *
Acid_Knight sucks ass.

Sig that, bitch.

Done
simo_8ball
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Thursday, March 13th, 2008, 11:06 PM) *
Done

I wasn't expecting that. Hmm.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Thursday, March 13th, 2008, 4:22 PM) *
I wasn't expecting that. Hmm.

I keep people on their toes. smile.gif
biff_goods
QUOTE (BaseJester @ Thursday, March 13th, 2008, 4:18 PM) *
If you raised all-in preflop, then you wouldn't have this problem. You know you're going to miss the flop most of the time. This shouldn't be a surprise.



Funny thing about this is I had a friend of mine feed me this exact line almost verbatim with no sarcasm what so ever when we discussed why he moved all in for 10 dollars in a .05-.10 game with no raise from middle position.
mikednuts
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Thursday, March 13th, 2008, 3:57 PM) *
This might be the best assessment of my posting style ever.

Well done.

In fact, welcome to my sig!


Making it into Acid's sig may be my single greatest poker moment....I'm gonna go kill myself.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (mikednuts @ Thursday, March 13th, 2008, 9:13 PM) *
If making it into Acid's sig turns out to be my single greatest poker moment....I may have to go kill myself.

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