You are a huge fan of TEAM X. You have the ability to determine your team's fate for the next 14 seasons. Which one of the following options would you choose for your team?

OPTION A:

The team makes the playoffs 8 times in those 14 years.
They lose in the first round 4 times.
They lose in the second round 3 times.
They win the Stanley Cup once.

Total series wins: 7
Total Stanley Cups: 1

OPTION B:

The team makes the playoffs 10 times in those 14 years.
They lose in the first round 3 times.
They lose in the second round 3 times.
They lose in the third round 4 times.

Total series wins: 11
Total Stanley Cups: 0

I think this is an obvious option A

Without a hesitation.

The non-cup success of the two profiles is basically the same otherwise.

its a stupid question..YOu cant choose after the fact...

Team B gives themselves more chances at a CUP

Therefore monkey donkey doesnt make sense.

Your post makes little sense.


Winning the Cup >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>more chances at winning without doing so

I'll take the Habs.

ok so lets take out your team a b x or y, or whatever you want to call them..

Who has been more succesful in the last 14 years since the Habs won the Cup..

The Leafs?Or the Habs?

In your twisted theory its the same...

Well if you strictly look at the last 14 years (in isolation) then yes, Toronto has been more successful.

Obviously option A since you already know you're going to win a cup.

But say you don't know the results, you just know that option A is going to be mediocre at best and need to get extremely lucky to go on a cinderella run and get the cup, and that option B will be a decent team giving usually making the playoffs and going deep many years, then that's the obvious choice.

Results oriented though, you have to say A.

Isnt that exactly what I said..Team B has more chances at a Cup...Therefore team B..

Poker analogy..What would you rather have AA or 10J suited AFTER knowing that 10J suited will win 7 out of the next 10 hands..?

Obviously heads up AA is the better hand and you will take aces, but AFTER the fact you will go with 10J suited.

Your definition of success and mine are not the same. Being a mediocre team and winning playoff series' yet NEVER making it to the finals or winning a Cup is not success to me. Success to me is winning the Cup. If you can't win the Cup then you need to do something that increases your chances of winning it again in the future (i.e. draft well, sign quality free agents, good trades). Montreal has been successful in drafting welll and developing their own talent and will soon be a legitimate Stanley Cup contender.

The Leafs are a mediocre team...have been for awhile and all signs point to continued mediocrity. It's not a bad thing to those that are fine with mediocrity which it seems a lot of Leaf fans are.

We are just looking at the last 14 years, not the last 40....Toronto Stanley Cup ZERO Montreal Stanley Cups ZERO..

Leafs playoff series wins 9 Montreal 3

So who is better the last 14 years?

oh and if you are interested in upping our total points bet, i will to $10 a pt , if you extend to 5 years.

I'd go with Option A. Who knows what will happen after the 14 years? I'd want to guarantee at least one Stanley Cup during my 14 years.

Option A: the team missed the playoffs 6 times in the 14 years.

Option B: the team missed the playoffs 4 times in the 14 years.

Who brought up 40 years?

Why not the last 15 seasons? Why not the last two seasons? It's sad and funny that you need to spin things in order to make the Leafs seem more successful than they actually are.

I will keep the current bet as is and start another with you if you like. What seasons would you like to include in the new bet?

if you like a new bet, we can start another one next year...

My team is so good right now, with even better outlook..

14 is such a small sample size, that 2 extra times is quite a bit.

A: 57% making the playoffs
B: 71% making the playoffs

Fairly big difference.

Also add onto that,

A: 1 round 2 wins
B: 4 round 2 wins


It's not really even close IMO

Is that not results oriented?

Also, thank god for Ottawa...4 series wins were against the Senators.

Poker analogy...
Would you rather make the final 18 at the WSOP 10 times, and cash in for 10 million over that time, or win it once for 8 million? I'll take the single world champion title every time...

All you gave us to work with are results.

And the results show that even though A got lucky 1 year and won a cup, B was the more consistant winning team overall.

Okay...

2008-09
2009-10
2010-11
2011-12
2012-13

2008-2013....Montreal vs Toronto....$10 a point....if a season is cancelled due to strike or lockout, so be it.

Book it!

Booked, however I will save you and say we cap it at $300...

Deal?

...unless I'm a Leafs or Bruins fan.

Yes obviously winning the cup would be the better choice. My point, and Serge's point, is that if you don't know team A is going to win the cup, but you know they'll make the playoffs less often than team B, and not be as good over the next 10 years as team B, then obviously you'd rather be team B, wouldn't you?

Good one. Very reasonable.

Deal...and I'll bet another $25 that $300 will be saving you money?

You are correct there, but not the same thing...

Plus one win of the WSOP would mean $millions in endorsements anyway...

How about this analogy, which I think is better..

You make the final table 5 times with no guarantee of a title...or you make it once with a guaranteed win of $8 million..

I think this analogy is a lot closer.

BOOK THAT TOO

aw, F**K off. i hate to think these words are coming into our hockey lexicon again.

Serge, sorry bud, your gonna get smoked on this one.

It boils down to whether you'd take consistent mediocrity over one moment of greatness.

no chance...Even on a year where they are playing way over their heads, and the Leafs have had numerous problems , they will end up maybe 7 pts ahead of us

1 moment of greatness, obviously, nobody has disagreed with you on that.

You would rather be Moneymaker (who was a fluke)?

No one is asking HOW you get there, just whether or not you get there. And yes, I would take being Moneymaker. Absolutely. Wouldnt you?

not what I said...5 final table guarantees against only ONE guaranteed win...

I may win 0 championships or FIVE

That's not a good analogy either Serge. How about this one.

Would you rather...

You play in 14 Main Events. You cash in 11 of them. Sometimes you just get your buy-in back but a few times you go deep and make some good money. You never finish 1st.

or...

You play in 14 Main Events. You cash in 7 of them. Most of the time you only win your buy-in back but you win it all once.

I'm so happy that you fail to realize that Montreal is getting better while Toronto is...well, Toronto is pretty much staying the same at best. Sundin can't carry the team forever.

and how many year will Kovalev be playing....??

ANd your analogy with the WSOP is still results oriented...

Thankfully Montreal doesn't rely on Kovalev to carry them.

yes he is their leading scorer in Goals Assists and PTS
Leads the team with plus minus of 10
PPG and PPA

Sure looks like he is carrying the team to me.

LOL

Montreal's Top 5

Kovalev 69
Plekanec 61
Markov 51
Streit 49
Koivu 49


Toronto's Top 5

Sundin 70
Antropov 49
Kaberle 42
Blake 40
Steen 30

Dale I must say that you are a formidable adversary in the forums, as you have a lot of arsenal at your disposal..

You make things fun and interesting here..

Well played..

Lets just play the games out and have fun.

ty


btw, you better finish Darrell off tonight, I think Crosby will be back soon.

I think I will..My lineup is stacked...I will be really pissed if I lose though because teh Leafs put up 6 or 7....but its the prudent thing to do...

Plus there shouldnt be too many non sundin , Mccabe goals.

Crosby playing tonight per RDS.

yes unfortunately we know, and my opponent knows..He couldnt wait one more game???

I haven't read all the replies, but I think the two scenarios are too close, in terms of playoff berths, and series wins. If you did it on the extremes, and said like 2 playoff berths, and 5 series wins with the 1 cup, against 13 playoff appearances, and 20 series wins, I think you'll get some more arguments for the latter.

Ban.