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Willing 2 Die
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Friday, February 29th, 2008, 11:49 AM) *
If you think he's that tight, then why are you even considering doing anything other than folding? David gave him 2 huge nut diamond draws, TPTK, TP and 2nd NFD, and the weakest hand he shows is one that probably has 12 outs to the nuts. That is a SUPER tight range dude. Even the nittiest of nits would consider raising those hands on the flop.

If you are so sure that his range is 88 or 44 or KQdd, then just muck your hand.

I think that you know his range is bigger than that though.



i had this sick feeling that i knew that i was beat when he raised me, due to only seeing him put money in post flop with good hands. I probably should have explained it better in my description of villian, but i just didn't know if it would be stupid to fold top pair like this. Like you said, i'm playing with scared money and a limited bankroll, I'm gonna make donk decisions like this. But considering all the factors (live 1-2, TPTK, etc, ) i just can't help but think that i could have dumped my hand after the 1st raise, and if this was even silly to think about doing. Its easy to see other worse players stack off with one pair, but i guess when it happens to me, i think about the angles and if there was a way i could avoid it. I also think the fact that i'm playing bad, getting unlucky, and down 4 buy ins is affecting my judgement.
Willing 2 Die
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Friday, February 29th, 2008, 11:55 AM) *
Having a short bankroll sucks, especially when it's for 1/2 NL live, which is basically the smallest live game that runs. You really shoud find a way to NOT let the money affect your play though. Nothing should get in the way of making the correct decision in a hand. If that means playing half as much as you do, maybe that's what you should do. Spend the time that you would be playing inbetween by reading books or forums or something and getting better. That way, when you go to play, you bring 5 buyins and you say "I don't care if I get sucked out on here or if he's beating me, he's got a draw a lot here and I need to shove and if he has a set, well, that sucks, but I'm gonna reload and be happy with my decisions...."


I may only have one opportunity (one stack) to make the right decision and go with it, but I will try. I thought about you guys on the last shove with AK, so the next time it works I will think about you guys again bubble_lol.gif
David_Nicoson
QUOTE (Willing 2 Die @ Friday, February 29th, 2008, 2:41 PM) *
out of ignorance im going to ask this question. Why are we including the other diamond draws (i think the Kd Qd fits) in this range? If i put villian as tight postflop, then i dont think he would raise me with a draw.

You're the expert on this villain, so we can take some of those hands out if you want.

CODE
Board: Kc 4d 8d
Dead:  

    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    
Hand 0:     29.579%      11.21%     18.37%               1664          2728.50   { AsKh }
Hand 1:     70.421%      52.05%     18.37%               7729          2728.50   { 88, 44, AKs, KdQd, 7d6d, 6d5d, AKo }


If he doesn't raise with the gut-shot straight flush draw, then all I can say is, "Run away! Run away!"

CODE
Board: Kc 4d 8d
Dead:  

    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    
Hand 0:     26.096%      04.90%     21.20%                630          2728.50   { AsKh }
Hand 1:     73.904%      52.70%     21.20%               6783          2728.50   { 88, 44, AKs, KdQd, AKo }
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (Willing 2 Die @ Friday, February 29th, 2008, 8:45 AM) *
Dude, i really do not get why you sound so mad in your posts sometimes.



Can I just say that when I lived in Phoenix, probably 50% of the people I worked with were from NY / NJ. They have an ENTIRELY different communication style than Midwesterners. AINEC.

Whereas someone from the Midwest will say, "Maybe wasn't the smartest thing to do," someone from the coast will say, "Jesus, that was ****ing stupid, what are you, a moron? Don't do that no more."

Both people will hold you in equal esteem.

Just a note.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (Willing 2 Die @ Friday, February 29th, 2008, 11:31 AM) *
I don't dislike you or anything Acid, but i will admit i'm not one of your lackeys


Acid Knight Lackey List:

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QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Friday, February 29th, 2008, 11:47 AM) *
LOL. I have lackeys? Heh.
Also LOL at mtdesmoines being good! (sw, I think smile.gif )


Some days MT wonders himself.

Such as, "How could I have lost 4 buyins this week by flopping the nuts and shoving?
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Friday, February 29th, 2008, 1:06 PM) *
Acid Knight Lackey List:

1. Acid's cat, Lucy
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5.

FYP
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Friday, February 29th, 2008, 1:12 PM) *
FYP



Oh, God. He's a "cat guy."
Temporary Nuts
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Friday, February 29th, 2008, 4:01 PM) *
Whereas someone from the Midwest will say, "Maybe wasn't the smartest thing to do," someone from the coast will say, "Jesus, that was ****ing stupid, what are you, a moron? Don't do that no more."

Both people will hold you in equal esteem.

QFT

So next time don't be so ****ing stupid and jump the gun thinking we're pissed at you. smile.gif
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Friday, February 29th, 2008, 1:17 PM) *
Oh, God. He's a "cat guy."

I'm not home enough to have a dog.

And my cat is cooler than you'll ever be.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Friday, February 29th, 2008, 1:29 PM) *
I'm not home enough to have a dog.

And my cat is cooler than you'll ever be.


LOL.

Have a good weekend all.
Royal_Tour
Umm.

I tried to read most of this thread.

1 thing that caught my eye was some talk about east coast vs west coast.

Not sure if acid was saying that west coast players are easier, but from my experience. and I've heard pro's talk about the same thing,

out west (vegas, LA) the players are way more aggressive. way more Loose.

Its to the point that its noticeable.
Zach6668
ok, first of all, this thread tilts me, so I'm not replying about poker.

Second of all, acid's cat is ****ing gay as balls. I wake up and he's walking across my face. I wake up and he's walking on my computer on the table. Just ****ing leave me along and let me sleep before I kick you out the window. That's my theory. Also, I'm allergic to cats.
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