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Willing 2 Die
Villian is an older gentlemen. He is new to the table so not alot of reads. Seems to call loose preflop and plays carefully postflop.

Hero has AK off

Stacks are Hero: $300
Villian: $175

Preflop: several limpers, Hero in LP raises to $15, Villian in SB calls $15, one limper calls $15 the rest fold.

Flop: As, 5, 6s

Villian checks, Hero bets $25, Villian calls $25

Turn: 10h

Villian checks, Hero bets $50, Villian calls.

River: 2x

Villian checks, Hero checks.

What do we think about checking the turn for pot control, and betting $50 on a non spade river?
Acid_Knight
The turn has way too many draws to NOT bet a blank like an off suit ten.

You should bet more on the flop and bet more on the turn and shove a blank river.
simo_8ball
Please bet bigger on the flop. Pot is >$45 and you should be betting ~$35 there.

On the turn the pot is ~$95. Bet $65. Don't give good drawing odds.

On the river the pot is ~$195 and villain has $85 left. Put the rest of the money in.

Why would you want to pot control when you are massively ahead of his range? All it does is give him a free card with a draw and gets him do showdown cheaper with a weaker made hand.
Willing 2 Die
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Wednesday, February 27th, 2008, 10:55 AM) *
Why would you want to pot control when you are massively ahead of his range? All it does is give him a free card with a draw and gets him do showdown cheaper with a weaker made hand.


My concern is, what is Villian calling us on the turn with, when its unlikely he has a flush draw or two spades, otherwise he wouldn't have called the flop with just a flush draw.

Isn't it weird that he is just calling our bets on the flop and turn when we haven't seen him get involved too much post flop?
Webslinger516
QUOTE (Willing 2 Die @ Wednesday, February 27th, 2008, 11:10 AM) *
My concern is, what is Villian calling us on the turn with, when its unlikely he has a flush draw or two spades, otherwise he wouldn't have called the flop with just a flush draw.

Isn't it weird that he is just calling our bets on the flop and turn when we haven't seen him get involved too much post flop?


Well, you said he's a donk, so he could be calling with any number of draws. So I don't think it's "unlikely he has a flush draw or two spades."

You're way ahead of a lot of his range. A donk could be calling with AQ, AJ, Ace-rags... Donks can even call with something like JJ. I'm guessing he flopped a set or two-pair and now you're second guessing yourself. As played, I generally value bet the river against a donk, because there are so many hands that pay you off here.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (Willing 2 Die @ Wednesday, February 27th, 2008, 11:10 AM) *
My concern is, what is Villian calling us on the turn with, when its unlikely he has a flush draw or two spades, otherwise he wouldn't have called the flop with just a flush draw.

Isn't it weird that he is just calling our bets on the flop and turn when we haven't seen him get involved too much post flop?

How else do you expect people to play draws like 95% of the time other than check/calling?

He's got a worse Ace or some kind of draw here probably 90% of the time and a better hand than you maybe 10%.
Willing 2 Die
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Wednesday, February 27th, 2008, 11:36 AM) *
How else do you expect people to play draws like 95% of the time other than check/calling?


What i was saying was that the spade draw is unlikely because there was no flush draw on the flop. Its either Ax, set or two pair.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (Willing 2 Die @ Wednesday, February 27th, 2008, 7:49 PM) *
there was no flush draw on the flop.

QUOTE (Willing 2 Die @ Wednesday, February 27th, 2008, 6:47 PM) *
Flop: As, 5, 6s


?
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (Willing 2 Die @ Wednesday, February 27th, 2008, 10:47 AM) *
and betting $50 on a non spade river?

QUOTE (Willing 2 Die @ Wednesday, February 27th, 2008, 11:49 AM) *
What i was saying was that the spade draw is unlikely because there was no flush draw on the flop. Its either Ax, set or two pair.

Why are you asking about a non-spade river if you're saying there's no flush draw.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (Willing 2 Die @ Wednesday, February 27th, 2008, 10:47 AM) *
Villian is an older gentlemean. .... Flop: As ...


FYP

Also, here is all you need to know: old white men over 60 and Asians play and will not fold any ace that hits.
Stack him.

(I just revealed one of my most powerful poker secrets)
Willing 2 Die
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Wednesday, February 27th, 2008, 11:50 AM) *
?


You're right, i messed up.
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