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StilettoNole
I have been playing super aggressive, raising a lot of pots. I am running at 22.45% / 20.41% / 4.00 over 49 hands.
Villain is the other aggressive player at the table. He is running 16.33% / 10.20% / 4.00 over 49 hands. I haven't seen him get out of line too much. He had $31 of his stack before I sat down, so I haven't seen too much from him since expect for standard stuff.


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

SB ($24.50)
BB ($31.50)
Hero ($24.65)
MP ($24.45)
CO ($61)
Button ($36.25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
Hero raises to $0.85, MP calls $0.85, 1 fold, Button calls $0.85, 2 folds.

Flop: ($2.90) , , (3 players)
Hero bets $1.75, MP folds, Button raises to $4.25, Hero ...

Can we continue here?

Thanks.
Temporary Nuts
Four flush flop? Since when were there 4 cards on the flop?

call c-r on hit, c-f on miss
StilettoNole
You are the king of beating me on a technicality. "That's actually a 4 bet..." "Its not a four flush on the board..." etc. You know what I am saying!!!! That's like when I say to my students "This is due tomorrow" and they say "We're not going to be here tomorrow" because its Saturday. They know what I mean, I mean the next day we have class, duh! I hate getting beat on a technicality. rolleyes.gif

Anyways, so who agrees with c/r a hit turn and c/f a miss?
Temporary Nuts
QUOTE (StilettoNole @ Wednesday, February 27th, 2008, 1:45 PM) *
You are the king of beating me on a technicality.


I hope you don't think it's made to make you "look stupid." It's kind of the nature of my job so it's a force of habit.
Webslinger516
I follow the same line, (call, then check-raise/fold) mostly because his raise is pretty small. Otherwise I hate playing drawing hands out of position.
Dictius
This is why playing suited connectors OOP sucks. This is almost 100% a preflop raise from the cutoff or button for me but very rarely from UTG.

This is a call on the flop, I think you are getting the right odds to try and hit your flush on the turn.

c/c or c/f the turn depending on what odds he offers you.

EDIT: If you miss, c/r if you hit.
mtdesmoines
I fold. This is AsXs ... either that or we just lost our odds to go fishing anyway.
breathweapon
If you know he can lay down top pair, I'd seriously consider re-raising here. The problem with calling is that it doesn't leave you with any good options if you miss the turn, so you need to either shit or get off the pot, IMO.
fakepoo
Please bring back the creepy stache picture. It makes me want to kick my mom in the face!
StilettoNole
QUOTE (breathweapon @ Wednesday, February 27th, 2008, 9:16 PM) *
If you know he can lay down top pair, I'd seriously consider re-raising here. The problem with calling is that it doesn't leave you with any good options if you miss the turn, so you need to either shit or get off the pot, IMO.


I think this is a very interesting point that I was thinking about before I posted and wanted to see if anyone else thought about a raise.

Here's my thinking:

1. He could have spades as well and is playing his flush draw for a raise, in which case we are screwed. By raising, it forces him to push all in in which case we can confidently fold.

2. He could have A-big and is protecting. Lets say he has Ax-Qs, by raising, it really puts pressure on him, and there is a decent chance he folds giving my UTG raise credit.

3. By just calling, we get put in a very strange spot if we brick the turn. Which is what happened. The turn brought the 7 of hearts (giving me 5 more outs, if he only has one pair). Now the pot is $11 or so and he bets $5 when I check to him. Now what?

I think a raise on the flop would have made this hand easier to play. Your thoughts?


Also, I agree, this is the problem playing s00ted connectors from EP. Probably could have avoiding this all together by mucking pre.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (StilettoNole @ Friday, February 29th, 2008, 7:48 AM) *
By just calling, we get put in a very strange spot if we brick the turn. Which is what happened. The turn brought the 7 of hearts (giving me 5 more outs, if he only has one pair). Now the pot is $11 or so and he bets $5 when I check to him. Now what?



Call the $5.
Don't go crazy on any river.
Fold to the flop raise next time.
Zach6668
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Wednesday, February 27th, 2008, 8:52 PM) *
I fold. This is AsXs ... either that or we just lost our odds to go fishing anyway.

huh?????

We're getting 3.56 to 1 to see the next card. That's close enough that we need to call here, and reevaluate on the turn based on the odds we're getting.

This is like a million different hands for every time it's exactly AsXs.
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