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Shark527
PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($10.35)
BB ($9.85)
UTG ($5.05)
MP ($9.25)
Button ($2.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, 4, 8, 6.
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, Button calls $0.10, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.40) 6, K, J (4 players)
Hero bets $0.4, BB raises to $0.9, MP folds, Button folds, Hero calls $0.50.

How often is this a bigger set or KJ? A possible QT combo straight draw or flush draw? How would be a good way to play a bottom set on a scary board like this?

Turn: ($2.20) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $1, Hero calls $1.

So QT straight draw makes it but I still have outs and now AA has outdrawn me.

River: ($4.20) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $2, Hero calls $2.

Final Pot: $8.20

Any way to play this better to either win more or lose less? How I played it about as good as it could go? Should I have tried to raise or fold at any point?
bdc30
I don't hate it. If you're ahead, he probably isn't calling a big raise anyway, and if you're behind, you lost the least possible.

Not sure what the deal is with his low betting pattern, but I'd make a note on it after seeing the hand (just over minraise on flop, ½ pot turn, ½ pot river).
The note alone I'd think would be worth the $4 if you lose.
BudBundy
I usually pay off players who bets weak and don't defend their hands. Maybe it is a leak.
jmbreslin
I'm not sure I'd blow almost half my stack just to get information on how one player played one hand, and assuming you're already behind you're not getting anywhere near the odds to chase the full house on the turn. The only hand I could see him playing this way that you beat is KJ, but there are a whole slew of hands you're losing to.
breathweapon
Re-pot the flop or dump it, the board is too drawish as it stands and he's on at least KJ+ or straight + flush, so fire back at him and either get him to fold or reveal his hand for less $ in the long run.
bdc30
jmbres - you must either be playing waaaaaay uber tight, or outside of proper bankroll.

I started out playing plo in August as one of the nittiest mo-fo's on the forum. Check the low content thread for the first 40 or so pages. It's filled with me being nitty and tight/passive, and bud/iggy/simo continuing to hammer away at me to be more aggressive. I was playing 30/3/1 back then, and losing money every month. Now I'm playing 22/15/2.5 and making a profit. It's not a coincidence.
jmbreslin
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Wednesday, February 27th, 2008, 10:35 AM) *
jmbres - you must either be playing waaaaaay uber tight, or outside of proper bankroll.


I'm definitely playing within my bankroll but perhaps I am playing way too tight. Could be because I'm primarly a NLHE SnG player and I only dabble in PLO for a little variety. In fact, the only reason I started playing it at all was because it's become more popular in my friday night poker game and I wanted to gain more experience.

The strange thing is that my play is based on what I've read about PLO strategy (which, granted, is only stuff published on the net - though I did just order a book on PLO). That's why I'm always so confused when I read these threads and the advice is pretty much the opposite of what I've read. It makes me wonder if the stuff on the internet is one big joke and you guys have read the "real" behind-the-scenes stuff on PLO strategy.

In any case, since I'm a SnG player and PLO is only a side-interest of mine, I'm not really interested in the high-variance approach that you guys seem to take to the game. I'd like to become good enough to be profitable and to be able to win some money at my friday night game, but that's the extent of my PLO goal. Pushing marginal situations hard because "I can always reload" isn't a viable approach for me when I'm not prepared to risk 4 or 5 buyins to maximize my profits.
bdc30
I'd be interested to see a PTO screenshot of your stats, if you use it.
jmbreslin
Don't use it. And even if I did I haven't played nearly enough hands to make the numbers meaningful.

I have loosened up my hand selection, especially when in position, and I do bet my hands when I have them. The big difference in the way we play seems to be the amount of credit we give our opponents. I'll bet hard when I'm ahead or when I have a big draw, but I'll slow down and fold good hands if there is enough evidence to suggest that my opponent likely has me beat and/or I don't have the odds to chase.

Seriously, though, is there stuff written on PLO strategy that is very different from what's written on the net?
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