$1/$2/$300 NLHE

Villain1: a billion ($2,600 +/-) Very loose
Villain2: $850 Very tight and knows how to play
Hero: a billion ($3,000 +/-)

Hero picks up KK in the SB.

UTG opens to $12
UTG1 calls
Villain1 calls
MP calls
Villain2 raises to $75

Hero?

I'll see what you all think about this very deepstack play, then I'll tell you what the next action was.

I think I'm raising here, say to $175.

you make it sound like you figured villain1 was going to call unless you boosted it to something stupid, and not wanting to play OOP against 2 opponents super-deep, you just flat called here with a hand guaranteed to be

i think i would still 3bet

It would be a 4 bet.


To a thinking player, whether you cold call or 4 bet it's going to represent massive strength considering the action in front of you, and that it was UTG that opened.

I think I just make it $275 to go... don't give a single stack on the table odds to mine you.

Agreed. I think I reraise here large.

It's an easy 4-bet, considering our positional disadvantage.

Over the Top for about $250-300 range should do the trick

I would call, 4 betting your hand is going to give it away to a good player, unless you have been 4 betting lots of things?

i think calling is very bad with 5 guys in the pot already if you just call then first in calls then you may lose one player if your lucky. i think we have to narrow the field here even if we get it HU. i 4-bet to around $275

that is one way to play it, the thing I don't like about this is that he calls the $200 knowing our range down to 2 hands so often... I love cracking people that overplay one hand.

If you can play post flop you can call here but you have to be able to muck on a 456 flop...

Meh its gambling...

So by cold calling from the SB we narrow down our hand to 3 hands?

agreed

i guess playing style could have an impact on how i play this.

i don't think flat calling here necessarily signals that we have QQ+/AK
depends on how we've been playing up to this point, but with that large of a PF 3bet by tight villain, and given that both of us are deep, a thinking player also considers that our calling range might be wider in that we're trying to setmine ourselves.

I made it $225.
Everyone lays down except the tight player.
He announces all in.

Here's the thing.
Tight player knows I can do this with AK AQ QQ even JJ against the loose villain.

I know where you're headed with this...

stop it

stop it!!!!!


FRIGGING CALL

If he knows you can do this with a wide-ish range then that would make his range wider? Definitely wider than just AA

It's kind of a problem, isn't it?
Because we could both be trying to isolate the whale.

Anyway, ultimately I believe that this guy only does this into me with AA.
So I laid em down.
I laid em down.
And he shows: AA

nice read


take it down, sir.

Even worse, the dealer peeks and an A flops.

The whole reason I play it this way is because he only makes the big re-raise with a big PP -- AA KK and sometimes QQ. He take a flop with AK.

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Pre-flop

Wins Ties Equity
36.99% 0.23% 37.22% ( KK )
62.55% 0.23% 62.78% ( AA(70),QQ(30) )

This fold is fine. He's 400+ BBs deep. The guy's tight and reraised an UTG raiser and a bunch of callers and then 5 bet shoves over a reraise. Calling with KK here really isn't profitable. Nice hand.

another reason to just call, you don't get blown off your hand when he does have AA, and you have a chance to stack him.

No, I really think he makes the right play here. His hand is too big and there are too many people already in the pot NOT to reraise here.

Given the ABC nature of this game, the presence of a whale, the size of the stacks, I really do think the villain and I played our hands as well as can be expected.