If you play limit hold'em at all, the section on limit hold'em written by Jennifer Harman is worth the price of the book alone. Jennifer goes into great detail how to isolate your opponents by using the three bet as well as position.

As for my section on triple draw, I'm extremely proud of the way it turned out. I also have to thank John Juanda because most of what was written in that chapter were lessons I learned from John years ago.

(I'll add more to this review as I read the rest of the book)

thanks daniel. I thought all of the chapters were great with the exception of the Chinese Poker chapters.(where I know several experts who disagree with several key points.)

A quick question about your triple draw chapter. What do you think the key differences are playing Triple Draw in limit versus no-limit?

I have to say that I am awaiting the arrival of this book anxiously. Unfortunately I don't play at Doyle's Room so I'll have to wait until my pre-order arrives.

I've got the book in front of me and there is no Chinese Poker chapter. :roll:

Actually I've never heard of triple draw being played no limit... it just wouldn't play very well.

Does SS2 cover Internet play?

If so, how indepth does it go?

I loved the NL Holde'em section in SS, but of course I could not relate it to internet play as much as to live action - I'm hoping the new one has moved enough with the times to cater for both.

cheers

Mxx

I plan on buying it just as soon as it's available in stores. I'm not going to choose my poker site based on a book.

There's a thread further down with my chapter-by-chapter look at it. I'm just a random dude who likes poker books and ground out SS2, so I don't really comment on quality or anything but do assess coverage, and I provide my (less than glowing) opinion on Doyle's Room. You may want to check it out if you're reading this thread and wondering about it. For the internet section, it says basically: "here's what's nice about internet poker. play at doyle's room. use the rest of the book and play the game well and it will translate. assume the low-limit players REALLY suck. Play SnG's to cash first and win second, no matter what pride dictates." and that's it on Internet Poker.

Also, Jennifer Harman's Limit Holdem section is one of the best pieces of poker writing I've ever seen; while my game doesn't match my "poker literacy", that section is great in its organization, clarity, and coverage, and her record and Daniel's praise vouch enough for the content, even if I don't know enough to really be trusted with that.

For the person asking about NL lowball, get SS1 if you want and read about old-school 2-7 which, from what I've read, was Doyle's preferred game even over NLH in his Texas road gambler days. That'll cover how 2-7 goes with 1 draw and NL structure... with 3 draws, wow, that would be a weird game.

im a little confused.....


is this book ever coming out for people who dont play at doylesroom? all i ever hear about it is that the ONLY way to get it was to play there, they never seem to say anything about a regular release date or anything, which is really disappointing to me as im not even legal to play online

I heard that it was going to be released to the public (ppl who don't play at Doyle's Room) in February.

I look foward to reading super system 2. Thanks.

SSDEUCE...for those who asked is being released (other than doylesroom) early February..I pre-ordered mine from Amazon and the expected arrival date is Feb.5-8, so it has to come out a few days b4 that, prolly the 2nd or 3rd

Is it necessary to have read Super System1 before reading Super System2? I'm a novice, so I'm not sure if I'll understand the SS2 concepts if it builds off of SS1.

Thanks in advance.

come on daniel!! 2-7 No-limit draw was a big game in california not 10 years ago when it died out. there is even a WSOP tourney 2-7 no limit. and i think jennifer won it last year didn't she? how could you not have heard of it?

that being said, i can't wait to read your chapter on the game as my interest grown over the last couple of months playing very low limits on ultimatebet. i also can't wait to read jennifers chapter on limit as it is supposedly 'groundbreaking'.

That's single draw deuce to seven that it's played no-limit. With one draw instead of 3, the final hand strength is weaker, fewer draws can be completed, and worse hands can be kept pat.

Adding 2 draws and betting rounds with no limit would be insane, given the amount that hand complexion changes on each draw, and all sorts of associated factors with there being 3 draws and having people all-in is awkward, and likely neither exciting nor fully emphasizing skill as big-bet structures usually are.

Daniel's section deals with the triple draw variety, which is why we're not discussing single draw lowball, and why no-limit is outside the scope of the discussion. Check SS1 for some single draw lowball principles and the adjustments for old-school 2-7. If there's no limit, there's 1 draw and 2 chances to bet.

thats right. i forgot it was single draw. whoops.

Greetings.

I've just managed to snag a copy of SS2, and it's definitely 'different
' then what I expected. I'm still trying to figure out how that is, exactly..*L*
The section on Internet poker by Doyle, and his articles are pretty thought provoking.
However, with all do respect to Mike Caro, I found some of his information to be a "re-hash" from his other work. I was expecting perhaps, some different information on tells, perhaps in relation to the internet, more information on limit/nl games. His book of tells, is definitely worth reading, as most of us have, and very much enjoyed his particular layouts of the hands and explanations as such in that book. Of course, that's that book, obviously, and not SS2.

Jennifer's section on Limit is pretty decent. I definitely have to agree that the section is structured very well. The same with Daniel's.

I like Daniel's section on Triple draw, as, I have not played it before, so, anything I can read that's new is always a treat.

The book is worth picking up overall, however, I guess my only critique, well, rather comment/suggestion, so to speak, is that I would like to see more specific situational hands, (e.g. "You're dealt XX cards, the flop is X-X-X....etc.") There are various books that offer those types of analysis, I just wasn't sure how it was going to be incorporated in SS2. For instance, at the end of each section, or even the end of the book, a listing of "X" number hand situations, and how you would deal with it. Because, I believe, to an extent, the mathematical aspect of the game is very important, but, almost as important is how you would react in any number of given areas. The best way to do that is, playing/practice, and reading about them, imo.

Yes, I know everyone's a critic, but, that's just my $.02

I've read on other forums that members who pre-ordered SS2 from Barnes and Noble have had their books shipped. However they are probably lying. Pre-orders from Amazon are scheduled to ship Feb. 5th. Meaning it will more than likely be available to the public on February 8th. Most books, cds, and DVDs are released on Tuesdays.

Has anyone read Dan Harrington's book? I have heard very positive things about it. I would love to hear others thoughts.

Quite possibly, yes, they could be. I was lucky enough to walk into a bookstore, and voila, it was there on the shelf much to my surprise, of course. How this is, I'm not really sure, but, I wasn't about to argue..*L*

I haven't read Harrington's book yet, although I've been meaning too.

Mine still hasnt shipped from Amazon. I heard Feb 5 too.

I have Harrington on Holdem on the way, so I can take my time with that book before I get started on SS2.

I got an email last night that my copy shipped from Amazon on the 20th and I should receive it on the 26th.

My card just got charged for SS2, so it should be shipping from Amazon tomorrow.

Sweet

Mine arrived two days early last night, just paged through it so far but looks good.

Lyle Berman's PLO section is just amazing. I have learned many new Omaha strategies through what he has written. This book is just great, and I haven't even gotten to the limit holdem section yet. oh yeah happy 100 to me, lol

Yeh, I'm getting my Hardcover SS2 in about a week. I guess they will only be selling the paperbacks in stores. So if you want a hardcover you'll have to earn it for free at dolly's site.


Hardcover is pretty sweet!

Well Im currently playing 2-7 triple draw, have it open to the page with Daniel;s 8 best starting hands, playing it like a new guy right now, I leared I was playing too many hands in this game, winning more now than I ever won before playing 2-7 triple draw! The Omaha section is next on my list, I'll read the NL section last, I think I'm best in that department... looking forward to harmans section as well, maybe it will make me enjoy Limit Hold 'Em? Ehhh... I hope so lol

Weber? win money in Limit?

Stick to NL bro. I'll teach you limit you teach me NL?

lol

Weber = My Homie

Haha Yeah Yeah Beal, I'm gonna try hard my friend, all I need is time my friend! Get off me Beal, I got you!

Beal... I'm gonna sit down at your limit some day...

...And then im going to stand back up and walk to another one

Just finished (bought it Tuesday.), and I to admit, I was disappointed that there was no new NLH section.
I understand his reasoning but I guess that subjectively I just really wanted it to be possible. **sigh**

But the rest of the book didn’t let me down! PLO was great! SEOB was great! And the holdem was great!
But the thing Caro did was the best!

$25 well spent.



Dutch

Just got my copy of The Bible II in the mail at work today. Can't wait to get reading. I'll probably have it done by next weekend and get some comments on it back to this thread.

So the No Limit Hold Em is the same as SS1?

I've been meaning to get Super/System 2, but I've never had the time to go out and buy it. I might have time this weekend though. I'm looking forward to reading it.

I really like 2-7 triple draw and Daniels chapter is AWESOME! Good Job Daniel.

I got SS2 from Amazon a couple of days ago, soft cover. Took 3 days.

Lots of reading, this book is huge!

I've just finished the Limit Hold'em section. It was awesome, Jennifer Harmon did an amazing job.

Great book! The New Testament of the poker bible. I read both books and they both are worth every penny. I enjoyed every page.

-HoldemPokerPlyr

Great book! The New Testament of the poker bible. I read both books and they both are worth every penny. I enjoyed every page.

I thought so too. The strategies are great for someone like me, trying to be good in all games. I really liked the omaha sections because they were very descriptive and have helped my game since. I had high expectations for this book, and it met and bettered them.

Jennifer's section was great, the PLO section was great, and Todd's Stud8 chapter was awesome.

I was dissapointed though that there is no Chinese Poker section. I play chinese alot at the club where i play poker, before we start the games, Someone mentioned a chinese section...was it only in the Doyle's Room version? Is there anyway to get a hold of that section?

I have the Doyle's Room version. No Chinese Poker. There is not a version out there with 1. I assume it's an internet hoax or someone's wild guessing when seeing that Chan contributed.

Super System 2

I got my brand new Super System 2 through Amazon.com.

Here's my two cents (note I have the original Super System also):

To start, there's a bunch of stuff regarding Doyle's life. I didn't buy it for an autobiography, so I was very disappointed to see this in there (again).

The history of texas holdem was interesting, but I would rather have been given a link to this info in the book that I could look up online.

The limit holdem section was great.

The Stud 8 section was great.

The Omaha section was great.

The triple draw section was great (even though I have never played, and have yet to see it online where I wanted to try it).

The majority of the NL section was a waste, due to it already being in the original super system. Some new points to ponder from Doyle, but not enough in my mind.

I paid $50 for this book, so I wanted $50 worth of poker insight to improve my play (and my bankroll). Ive got to clear most likely two different bonuses on two different sites to get that $50 back, which just doens't seem worth it to me.

Very disappointing. :naughty:

Sorry if I am being harsh, but that is just how I feel.

The limit holdem by Harman was great. I converted from playing NL to limit online because I didn't like the swings of NL and this book was a great source for doing that

Reread the limit section about a dozen more times. If you can't make $50 from that, try again with the Stud and Omaha sections.


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Reread the limit section about a dozen more times. If you can't make $50 from that, try again with the Stud and Omaha sections.


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Your looking up all my posts to see how i play aren't you...lol :wink:

No, just randomly noticed this post after I finally got around to browsing this thread.


We can agree to disagree, but the Omaha chapters will at least save you $50 just from avoiding traps if you play any form of Omaha.



If I realized your post was over a month old, I wouldn't have bothered to reply. :oops:

Omaha Hi/Lo is my favorite game, Stud Hi/Lo is my best game, NL tourneys I am pretty good at (SNG's that is), Limit Hold-em is probably my worst game (hence some of the crazy posts) :wink:

Hey guys,

I picked up Super System 2 a couple of days ago from my local book store. I never read the original, so I don't really care about the information being the same in the No Limit section. All I've read so far is the NL section, and I enjoyed it. I'm just wondering if I should put Doyle's strategies to use when playing against reasonably inexperienced players? Every couple weeks, I play with a bunch of guys who aren't terrific poker players, but they aren't too bad. They know you should fold crap hands when there are a lot of players and stuff. We play tournament style. Think I should try it?

Thanks,
cougarelite

My opinion of this book has changed since July. In July I was playing low limit o8 and limit hold'em primarly. Now I play every game in this book. Since then I have progressed from .50-1 to the middle limits. I have to say, that as a beginner I did not get much out of what they were saying in SSII, but now I understand the concepts and theories in the books much better. I used to think the o8 section was so-so, but now that I have some experienced in that game, I think it's the best part of the book. Now that I've read the triple draw section, I can honestly say it would of taken me much longer to progress in that game as quickly as I did. The stud/8 section is another great read and has helped my game a lot. However, I don't like to play stud games online since I often get distracted and can't remember the upcards, particulary when they are folded so quickly. The pot limit omaha section is also very good, although I think there needs to be a lot more expansion. I don't think Lyle Berman is giving a full enough insight on LAG play. However, this is how all the top pot limit omaha players play. The no limit section is great, but it's pretty much a rewrite of the SSI chapter. Now that I look back on it, the limit hold'em section is good, but there's not much new concepts addressed. One dissapointment of the book is I don't think there is not enough on shorthanded or heads up strategy.

ok ~ not that my 2 cents really matters but here we go !

I found Todds section on 7 card stud very well done ~ so much so if todd ever writes a book i will buy it !!!
Daniels bit trip draw ~ is top notch and should be read by anyone who plays trip draw or is thinking about it.
(next time online look at how the game is being played and you will see daniels influence)

jennifer Harmons bit was ok ~ not super but (ok) for me anyways ~
the entire section on WPT was a nice read but made the book cheap .

the history of texas holdem was a nice bit ~

I love mike Caro ~ and love his website (poker1.com ) and i find reading anything write by mike as thought provoking .

and if you dont own SS1 the no limit section is timeless like gucci ~ good things never go out of style

this book was definitely worth the buy...with the variety of games and in-depth advanced detail, I'm definitely a satisfied customer