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Craigdog
Party poker - 6 players 200NL Holdem

Hero $ 204.45
Villian $ 252.65

Villian is starting to get real aggro after initially playing tight. Could be catching cards, could be switching gears, I have been pretty card dead & therefore have nitty image. One thing to note is that the previous hand I lost a $100 pot to villian when my AA ran into a J J 6 - 2 -10 board and villian raised my turn bet & led out all-in on river, I folded as he was repping a J.

Hero SB A icon_suit_diamond.gif K icon_suit_spade.gif

Folds to villian (button), villian raises to $6, Hero raises to $21, SB folds, BB folds, Villian calls $15.

Flop: A icon_suit_spade.gif J icon_suit_club.gif 8 icon_suit_diamond.gif

Hero bets $35, villian calls £35.

Turn: 7 icon_suit_heart.gif

Hero ?
simo_8ball
Hero bets $90 for value and instacalls a shove.

Simple.

Villain can have a very wide range of hands here that you crush.
AndyZ28
QUOTE (Craigdog @ Wednesday, February 13th, 2008, 3:06 AM) *
Hero ?


Should keep firing....
craiger
Well the only draw hit, so if he's a thinking player then he will likely bet if you check to him here...whether he hit or not.

Unless you put him on exactly 9-10 (unlikely since he called a re-raise pre) or A-J (slightly more likely since he's aggro) then you should bet $85 to $95...
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (Craigdog @ Wednesday, February 13th, 2008, 1:06 AM) *
Hero bets $35, villian calls £35.


Could that be called "getting your money in bad?"
Dictius
QUOTE (Craigdog @ Wednesday, February 13th, 2008, 8:06 PM) *
Hero bets $35, villian calls £35.


£35 is worth twice as much as $35, good odds imo



Does anyone like a CRAI on turn?
Royal_Tour
QUOTE (Craigdog @ Wednesday, February 13th, 2008, 1:06 AM) *
Hero SB A icon_suit_diamond.gif K icon_suit_spade.gif

Folds to villian (button), villian raises to $6, Hero raises to $21, SB folds, BB folds, Villian calls $15.

Flop: A icon_suit_spade.gif J icon_suit_club.gif 8 icon_suit_diamond.gif

Hero bets $35, villian calls £35.

Turn: 7 icon_suit_heart.gif

Hero ?



QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Wednesday, February 13th, 2008, 1:12 AM) *
Hero bets $90 for value and instacalls a shove.

Simple.

Villain can have a very wide range of hands here that you crush.



well, 9,10 got there, so that sucks.
board is rainbow, so that also eliminates a FD


we have Top Top, so we beat A,Q A,10 and A,9. Surely KK re-pops preflop. and if he doesnt repop KK, he probably folds the flop same with QQ

besides the fact that hero posted villain as starting to loosen up, I dont see what other hands he could be playing this way?

I opt to c/c here 90% of the time. Unless I know this guy is just a payoff wizard. but we dont know that.
bigcoled
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Wednesday, February 13th, 2008, 1:12 AM) *
Hero bets $90 for value and instacalls a shove.

Simple.

Villain can have a very wide range of hands here that you crush.


ding ding, we have a winna!

90 was my initial reaction, but then i thought a little lower for value vs AQ at best... but, definatley for value, and definatley to be all in soon
simo_8ball
QUOTE (Dictius @ Wednesday, February 13th, 2008, 11:55 AM) *
£35 is worth twice as much as $35, good odds imo
Does anyone like a CRAI on turn?

Not really. Gives him a chance to check behind with a lot of hands we beat. It also gives him a better chance to fold a weaker ace.
Snake Plissken
I bet here and. If he calls and x comes on river, I'd fire again. If a dangerous card hit I'd probably c/c the river. Now if he raise me on the turn, I'd call and most of the times c/c a bet on river.
Acid_Knight
For those saying "T9 got there", you do realize that this player called a sizable 3 bet preflop and unless you've seen him calling with suited connectors, I would wager that those don't make up a ton of his range. Also, if T9 got there, QT didn't, so tongue.gif

Simo's right. Just bet/call. C/Cing is bad becuase we're losing a lot of value from the many hands that are worse than ours. Realistically, we should only be beaten on that flop by AJ/JJ and 88. Online, you should never feel too bad if you get your $$ in here with AK.
Craigdog
Thanks for the reply's guys! I appreciate your comments. here is what happened,

I fired $75 on the turn which after evaluating the hand afterwards looks kinda scared and villian pushed all-in, I only had about $70 left and was getting 4.5/1 so made the call.

Villian turned 10 icon_suit_club.gif 9 icon_suit_club.gif which sucks but, I'm happy with my play & just wanted confirmation that in your opinion I played it good too.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (Craigdog @ Wednesday, February 13th, 2008, 11:24 AM) *
Thanks for the reply's guys! I appreciate your comments. here is what happened, I fired $75 on the turn which after evaluating the hand afterwards looks kinda scared and villian pushed all-in, I only had about $70 left and was getting 4.5/1 so made the call. Villian turned 10 icon_suit_club.gif 9 icon_suit_club.gif which sucks but, I'm happy with my play & just wanted confirmation that in your opinion I played it good too.



OOOOO KKKKK .... one thing I always do when shoving is stop and think for a minute about what I could be facing and if I'm drawing totally dead or not. I don't like to shovel when I could be drawing dead on the turn. I don't like shoving on the turn. What is it the pocket5s people say ... a turn raise/shovel usually means one pair is no good? Situations and opinions will differ, but I've usually found it to be true.
Craigdog
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Wednesday, February 13th, 2008, 11:31 AM) *
OOOOO KKKKK .... one thing I always do when shoving is stop and think for a minute about what I could be facing and if I'm drawing totally dead or not. I don't like to shovel when I could be drawing dead on the turn. I don't like shoving on the turn. What is it the pocket5s people say ... a turn raise/shovel usually means one pair is no good? Situations and opinions will differ, but I've usually found it to be true.


I agree 100% however there were a few contributing factors to my all-in call, firstly I was starting to get steamed from dry card session, the previous hand against the same villian, Playing above my normal 100NL level & not wanting to be pushed around.

None of the above are excuses but me just being honest with myself!! I have lots to learn.
Royal_Tour
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Wednesday, February 13th, 2008, 7:59 AM) *
For those saying "T9 got there", you do realize that this player called a sizable 3 bet preflop and unless you've seen him calling with suited connectors, I would wager that those don't make up a ton of his range. Also, if T9 got there, QT didn't, so tongue.gif

Simo's right. Just bet/call. C/Cing is bad becuase we're losing a lot of value from the many hands that are worse than ours. Realistically, we should only be beaten on that flop by AJ/JJ and 88. Online, you should never feel too bad if you get your $$ in here with AK.



it was a button raise. in short handed games, people make button steals with a large range.

hero re-poped, and button made a loose call, But suited connectors play like small PP to a lot of people, and they'll call a lot of raises pf to try and stack off if they hit.


for once I actually agree with mtdesmoines in a thread.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (Craigdog @ Wednesday, February 13th, 2008, 12:32 PM) *
I agree 100% however there were a few contributing factors to my all-in call, firstly I was starting to get steamed from dry card session, the previous hand against the same villian, Playing above my normal 100NL level & not wanting to be pushed around.

None of the above are excuses but me just being honest with myself!! I have lots to learn.



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......................... "negative" factors to me ...
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Wednesday, February 13th, 2008, 12:44 PM) *
for once I actually agree with mtdesmoines in a thread.



Good grief.

Cashouts this weekend in my 1/2/300 NL games:

Thu $1,000
Fri $1,500
Sat $1,500
Mon $850

... and posters here routinely hate my advice
Royal_Tour
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Wednesday, February 13th, 2008, 12:58 PM) *
Good grief.

Cashouts this weekend in my 1/2/300 NL games:

Thu $1,000
Fri $1,500
Sat $1,500
Mon $850

... and posters here routinely hate my advice



everyone gets lucky from time to time. smile.gif

post results when u have +6 months of fultime play or +50k hands.


Also: I noticed ur advice is getting better over the last little while, which might be contributer to your success. meaning you're improving as a player.

is this a far off stretch or would u agree in your own mind?
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Wednesday, February 13th, 2008, 1:17 PM) *
+50k hands.

Playing live, this would probably take 40 hours a week for 9 months to achieve.

Online, some people do it monthly.
Royal_Tour
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Wednesday, February 13th, 2008, 1:20 PM) *
Playing live, this would probably take 40 hours a week for 9 months to achieve.

Online, some people do it monthly.


actually. if you really did play 40 hours a week you could see 50k hands in 7 months. live. I wrote 6 months, which i think is also a fair assessment.

and comparing 50k hands online in 1 month vs 6 months of live play is impossible.
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