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StilettoNole
I haven't seen too many hands from villain.


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Hero ($28.50)
UTG ($25)
MP ($22.95)
Button ($38)
SB ($26.70)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
2 folds, Button raises to $0.85, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.9, Button raises to $5.85, Hero calls $2.35.

Flop: ($11.20) , , (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $6, Hero raises to $23.5 (All-In),


Here's my main question. Do you ever just flat call a 4-bet like this and shovel on a non-ace or king flop? My feeling is that if he has aces or kings, then money is probably going in regardless. But if he has A-K, I can win a good sized pot (provided that he folds my shove on the flop) or save my self some money by folding any ace or king flop. Your thoughts?

Thanks.
Acid_Knight
If you're calling preflop, this is the only choice on how to play the flop.
StilettoNole
I guess what I am asking is just calling pre-flop (rather than pushing) and then pushing a non-ace/king flop a good, profitable play?
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (StilettoNole @ Tuesday, February 12th, 2008, 10:45 AM) *
I guess what I am asking is just calling pre-flop (rather than pushing) and then pushing a non-ace/king flop a good, profitable play?

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psujohn
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Tuesday, February 12th, 2008, 2:03 PM) *


QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Thursday, December 20th, 2007, 10:39 AM) *
If I have QQ and he's got 1 of 3 hands: AA/KK/AK, then taking a flop helps me put in a lot of money much better when he does have AK, which accounts for 16 combinations of hands where as AA and KK are 6 combos each, meaning that he should have AK 16 out of 28 times. By seeing a flop here, I can minimize my losses and put AK in the worst position by shoving on him when he c-bets any low flop.

Basically, getting it AIPF against that range of hands sucks for me becuase I'd be 50% to win 57% of the time and 20% to win the other 43% of the time. If I can turn that 50% into something much more profitable for me where I avoid going broke when an A or a K flops, then it helps my bottom line.


If someone made an "accumulated wisdom of FCP NL strat" collection this would be a guaranteed entry.

OP you played it perfect. Even if villain insta-called w/AA.
ROBBBIGG
I think you played your hand in a pretty ideal manner.
jowhee13
no1 cnsiders folding? i think u see AA or KK in thats spot way too often
NoBBiR
QUOTE (jowhee13 @ Tuesday, February 12th, 2008, 12:45 PM) *
no1 cnsiders folding? i think u see AA or KK in thats spot way too often


Less than 50% of the time, everytime wink.gif

And his cbet is so weak it certainly looks more like AK than AA/KK.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (jowhee13 @ Tuesday, February 12th, 2008, 12:45 PM) *
no1 cnsiders folding? i think u see AA or KK in thats spot way too often


"QUOTE(Acid_Knight @ Thursday, December 20th, 2007, 10:39 AM)
If I have QQ and he's got 1 of 3 hands: AA/KK/AK, then taking a flop helps me put in a lot of money much better when he does have AK, which accounts for 16 combinations of hands where as AA and KK are 6 combos each, meaning that he should have AK 16 out of 28 times. By seeing a flop here, I can minimize my losses and put AK in the worst position by shoving on him when he c-bets any low flop.

Basically, getting it AIPF against that range of hands sucks for me becuase I'd be 50% to win 57% of the time and 20% to win the other 43% of the time. If I can turn that 50% into something much more profitable for me where I avoid going broke when an A or a K flops, then it helps my bottom line."

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That's just smart poker. If this thinking is not INTUITIVE to you, then poker is going to be a difficult game to play well.
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