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albertoflamingo
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($9.65)
CO ($10.15)
Button ($14.85)
SB ($5.45)
BB ($14.10)
UTG ($13.05)
UTG+1 ($14.30)
MP1 ($8.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K, T.
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, 1 fold, Button calls $0.35, 1 fold, BB calls $0.25.

Flop: ($1.10) T, Q, K (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.7, Button raises to $1.4, BB folds, Hero calls $0.70.

Turn: ($3.90) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $3.9,

Thoughts on all streets welcome.
ETA: Villain is 11.76/0 over 17 hands.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (albertoflamingo @ Sunday, February 10th, 2008, 11:44 AM) *
ETA: Villain is 11.76/0 over 17 hands.


Puke fold / puke shove the turn, depending on what you think villain is capable of here.

EDIT: I don't think "calling" is a great option.
NoBBiR
Reraise the flop and the hand is 1000x easier.
albertoflamingo
QUOTE (NoBBiR @ Sunday, February 10th, 2008, 12:31 PM) *
Reraise the flop and the hand is 1000x easier.

3bet then fold to a 4bet?
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (albertoflamingo @ Sunday, February 10th, 2008, 12:36 PM) *
3bet then fold to a 4bet?


I don't think we're folding that flop
NoBBiR
QUOTE (albertoflamingo @ Sunday, February 10th, 2008, 12:36 PM) *
3bet then fold to a 4bet?


I'm thinking 3bet and snap call a 4bet at 10nl.

Looking for a reason to dump two pair on a drawy board at 10nl is a bad idea. This is easily KJ, Q10, AK, K9, Jx, XsXs, whatever. I see even see down to K2o here at 10nl. People are stupid.

Full Tilt Poker Game #5205137964: Table Gaeta (6 max) - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:29:38 ET - 2008/02/10
Seat 1: AcesNoJoke ($15.25)
Seat 2: clat2605 ($21.95)
Seat 3: banibani12 ($3.10)
Seat 4: terryhindu ($10.10)
Seat 5: G-2006 ($4.25)
Seat 6: SSky06 ($26.30)
G-2006 posts the small blind of $0.05
SSky06 posts the big blind of $0.10
5 seconds left to act
banibani12 posts a dead small blind of $0.05
banibani12 posts $0.10
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SSky06 [3s Jc]
AcesNoJoke calls $0.10
clat2605 folds
banibani12 checks
terryhindu calls $0.10
G-2006 calls $0.05
SSky06 checks
*** FLOP *** [Jh 3h 7c]
G-2006 checks
SSky06 bets $0.40
AcesNoJoke calls $0.40
banibani12 folds
terryhindu raises to $10, and is all in
G-2006 folds
SSky06 raises to $19.60
AcesNoJoke folds
SSky06 shows [3s Jc]
terryhindu shows [Jd Ts]
Uncalled bet of $9.60 returned to SSky06
*** TURN *** [Jh 3h 7c] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [Jh 3h 7c 2s] [6c]
SSky06 shows two pair, Jacks and Threes
terryhindu shows a pair of Jacks
SSky06 wins the pot ($18.95) with two pair, Jacks and Threes
terryhindu is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20.95 | Rake $2
Board: [Jh 3h 7c 2s 6c]
Seat 1: AcesNoJoke folded on the Flop
Seat 2: clat2605 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: banibani12 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: terryhindu (button) showed [Jd Ts] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 5: G-2006 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: SSky06 (big blind) showed [3s Jc] and won ($18.95) with two pair, Jacks and Threes

People go super broke with TP at these stakes.
krup24
you have to 3 bet that flop. you just lost control of the hand by smooth calling. there aren't too many cards that aren't gonna slow you down (K or T obv).
albertoflamingo
Villain turned over AKo and didn't get there. Guess I need to be more aggressive on the flop.
ROBBBIGG
See if you can get it all in on the flop, and I don't think you're folding the turn.
albertoflamingo
QUOTE (albertoflamingo @ Monday, February 11th, 2008, 5:26 PM) *
Villain turned over AKo and didn't get there. Guess I need to be more aggressive on the flop.

Oops, forgot to add that I shoved turn. I guess the general consensus is to just shovel the flop.
ROBBBIGG
QUOTE (albertoflamingo @ Tuesday, February 12th, 2008, 8:12 AM) *
Oops, forgot to add that I shoved turn. I guess the general consensus is to just shovel the flop.


Not shovel, but a sensible 4 bet that means shove or fold.

Shoving the turn is fine and probably good @ 10NL (because villain isn't calling with only a flush), but if I just call the 3 bet then I might c/c turn, c/c river. I had a hand I talked about on CardRunners like this earlier, when the flush hit on the turn I called with my set and c/c'd the river to maximize value from a bluff and pay off the least (and pay a decent price to see if we fill up) vs the flush.
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