OK, interesting spot.

CO seems like a solid player, running at 25/18/2.5
SB is a a HUGE donk, running at 93/30/2.5. He keeps splashing around, peels with any two on any flop, and bluffs at every pot. Here are some fun hands we played:
http://www.pokerhand.org/?2071513
http://www.pokerhand.org/?2071514
http://www.pokerhand.org/?2071515
http://www.pokerhand.org/?2072117, lets just say I am not giving him any credit for a real hand here.

The reason I did not reraise his original donk bet, is SB is most likely firing another bullet with any two on the turn.


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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $238
Hero: $348.40
CO: $563.05
Button: $328
SB: $257.85
BB: $197

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A Q
UTG calls, Hero raises to $9, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 8 5 A ($38, 4 players)
SB bets $20, UTG folds, Hero calls, CO raises to $85, SB calls, Hero...

these are ugly spots.

I think you need to raise sb's flop bet. he is so loose and I know u expect him to fire the turn, but if u make a raise to 65 or so do u feel he will fold?

Im only worried that your smooth call looks weak and c/o could be making this raise with a fairly wide range since sb is such a donk.

Are you looking to chase the second nut flush versus an opponent who isn't bad and has you covered when you have 150bbs?

Specific reason we're going to 4.5x PF?

Also, what evidence do you have the SB will donkbet you twice if you raise the flop? I think once you fail to raise there, you have to let it go against the CO...not a lot you can beat at that point aside from something like AxJd.

1 limper. Standard

I don't mind the flat call, but I fold when it's raised and called back to me 10000000000% of the time.

I raise the flop every time. Every single time. And twice as often against the SB who is calling with anything on the flop drawing near dead. If you raise the flop you give yourself a chance to get it all in against a lot of the SB's range by the river.

As played, with the SB probably being a collective target for the table, I would expect CO to be playing somewhat straightforward and for value here. I think he is usually showing up with a made flush here or possibly a set. In any case I imagine your flush draw is live and your top pair isn't, but OOP with no real implied odds I probably let this go reluctantly. I don't think taking one card off getting pretty decent odds is a real mistake though.

LOL . . . yah, maybe, because the CO's range HAS to be wider because of the SB's donkishness.
I think I can find the muck to that raise from the CO. I dunno. If it comes around to me and I close action, I might just call ... I really need a feel for this situation.

Indeed

prob muck this as played. co prolly playing a wider range pf cause he wants to play pot with the donk..that being said, he prob views you as solid and probably isn't going to the extreme level of him knowing, that yo uknow, that he knwos ur solid, and so he probably isnt doing this with AxJd, and certainly is most likely 3betting AK pf, but AxKd should be part of his range here.

all that being said, he prob just wants to play this pot with the sb and i doubt he is leveling you into folding the better hand.

- Jordan

i just don't understand how we cannot be raising the donktard when he donks into us on this flop. we hit top pair/2nd nut draw. we are miles upon miles above his range. he can have any A without a diamond. i don't see the rationale in smooth calling and potentially cause ourself to sputter on later streets.

as played i am torn between a fold and call of COs raise it's close