cwik
Friday, February 8th, 2008, 3:04 PM
Villain is an solid regular that plays 24/19.50/2.86. My image is probably pretty similar. I am 3betting AKs 85-90% preflop, but decided to mix things up a little bit here.
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
ConverterStack sizes:UTG: $334.10
CO: $314.45
Hero: $278.50
SB: $382.35
BB: $386.50
Pre-flop: (
5 players) Hero is Button with A

K
UTG folds,
CO raises to $6, Hero calls,
2 folds.
Flop: 9

9

A

(
$15, 2 players)
CO bets $12, Hero calls.
Turn: J

(
$39, 2 players)
CO bets $28, Hero calls.
River: 8

(
$95, 2 players)
CO bets $57, Hero ...
mtdesmoines
Friday, February 8th, 2008, 3:06 PM
I'm fine with this. Totally fine.
I might have reraised pf.
CobaltBlue
Friday, February 8th, 2008, 3:48 PM
Villain's probably betting a semi-wide range of aces here for value. He's got AK/AQ/AT/Ax frequently enough that I think we can call this river.
One thing that I suppose might weight our decision slightly...is this river bet by villain standard for him?
Sheiky
Friday, February 8th, 2008, 3:57 PM
I think it's a call, but i'm not *that* optimistic in making it.
NoBBiR
Friday, February 8th, 2008, 10:50 PM
QUOTE (Sheiky @ Friday, February 8th, 2008, 3:57 PM)

I think it's a call, but i'm not *that* optimistic in making it.
I agree with this.
I find anything other than AQ that we are beating, somewhat overly optimistic. That said, I'm still not folding.
AndyZ28
Saturday, February 9th, 2008, 12:41 AM
His river bet kind of screams, "raise me" to me. I think you played this just fine. Just like everyone else, I'd be slightly reluctant in calling the river, but I'm certainly not folding it. Are A9, AJ, and A8 in Villain's range from the CO?? I can definitely see someone doing that river bet with AQ as well, so my initial response can be taken both ways. Oddly enough, he bets 4/5 the pot on the flop, then just under 3/4 on the turn, and then 3/5 on the river. He lowered his bet the whole way through. I can see a slightly scared AQ or AT here. Definitely not a fold.
Acid_Knight
Saturday, February 9th, 2008, 8:46 AM
QUOTE (NoBBiR @ Friday, February 8th, 2008, 10:50 PM)

I find anything other than AQ that we are beating, somewhat overly optimistic. That said, I'm still not folding.
Agree 100%.
Any reason for the lack of reraise preflop?
simo_8ball
Saturday, February 9th, 2008, 10:16 AM
I pretty much hate flat calling AKs there preflop without a damn good reason for it. It's such an obvious place for a 3-bet with a weak hand that you're getting action from a ton of hands you crush, and it makes it so much easier to win the pot postflop unimproved.
After you flat call and call down you've underrepped your hand so much that he can easily be making a value bet with AT/AQ there or a blocking bet with a hand like A2.
This is a snap call on the river.
Oh, and I can't wait for PT3 and the other trackers to fully show 3-bet stats.
NoBBiR
Saturday, February 9th, 2008, 10:17 AM
I think we're pretty much looking at a very narrow range here. AA, JJ, AK, AQ. That's sort of pukey, but like I said, I'm still not folding.
I just think at some point you have to be raising, playing this passively just makes it too impossible to fold by the river.
cardcore
Sunday, February 10th, 2008, 9:46 AM
I'm raising the flop 100% of the time here. If he 3bets you here, I'm 4-betting 100% of the time also. If he's a solid regular, do you think he shows up with a 9?
As played, it looks much more like AJ or AQ to me, I call and feel the variance on the river.
No_Neck
Sunday, February 10th, 2008, 9:56 AM
QUOTE (cardcore @ Sunday, February 10th, 2008, 12:46 PM)

I'm raising the flop 100% of the time here. If he 3bets you here, I'm 4-betting 100% of the time also. If he's a solid regular, do you think he shows up with a 9?
I think that if he is a solid player and you three bets you he is going to have a 9 way more often than an A imo.
I bet his CO raising range is pretty wide here.
Acid_Knight
Sunday, February 10th, 2008, 11:59 AM
Oh boy, I can't wait to see how red everyone's face is when they see the results for this one!
TB17
Sunday, February 10th, 2008, 12:17 PM
QUOTE (cardcore @ Sunday, February 10th, 2008, 10:46 AM)

I'm raising the flop 100% of the time here. If he 3bets you here, I'm 4-betting 100% of the time also. If he's a solid regular, do you think he shows up with a 9?
As played, it looks much more like AJ or AQ to me, I call and feel the variance on the river.
solid regulars should be raising T9s, J9s, A9 os/s, Q9s, K9s maybe even offsuit from the CO. Especially someone who is 24/19.
As played this definately doesnt look like AJ/AQ. I'd say more likely a suited connector or A9 here.
I play it the same except I rr pre.
NoBBiR
Sunday, February 10th, 2008, 12:27 PM
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Sunday, February 10th, 2008, 11:59 AM)

Oh boy, I can't wait to see how red everyone's face is when they see the results for this one!

10c7c ftw?
Jordan
Sunday, February 10th, 2008, 12:40 PM
Meh, I'd probably raise the flop, but may just call and raise the turn...thing is 99A board is pretty "dry" in his mind, for our range...if we just call and he is solid he'll probably think we're floating, so i think if he c/r the turn we kinda have to get in cause of how under repped we are...
but then again, just calling also could put in his mind that you may have a 9 yourself, but i doubt he thinks you call a raise with a 9, unless it's like 89 or T9 or something.
To be honest...I think turn is a must raise, river is a no brainer call, but i dont think a raise would be bad at all...
his CO raising range is a bit wider, so he could of course have something like QT or XcXc...all the more reason for raising the turn...
i guess calling riv is > raising, but i do raise this river some, but perhaps against this guy who probably thinks the turn card is a good card for him to rep in his range...but the river bet is so weak, i'd except him to bet more with a flush or a boat, so it could be a blocker with AK/AQ/AJ, so i dont think raising here under those thoughts is wrong at all.
- Jordan
cwik
Sunday, February 10th, 2008, 8:12 PM
QUOTE (NoBBiR @ Sunday, February 10th, 2008, 12:27 PM)

10c7c ftw?
Bingo.
straightflushaments. I was only like 97% on the flop.
As for the way I played this hand. Yes I 3bet here most of the time pf, but I think you have to call a bit with sometimes too, this was one of those times. Flop can go either way for me, but basically I am wa/wb here, so I don't really need to raise to protect my hand. I could raise for value, which I don't hate, but there is lots of value playing it slow too.
The reason I did not raise the turn, is I felt like a raise folds out most of the hands I beat and none of the hands I do not beat. The only hands he can really make a bad calls is AQ/AT, and I am only getting one more street of value from them anyways, so I think the river is going to be more profitable.
The truth is by the river there is not much I can beat, but like most people have said, because I played the hand so passive I kinda have to make this call.
Jordan
Sunday, February 10th, 2008, 8:37 PM
but the turn is also going to hit his actual hand sometimes in the range of hands he is repping by dbl barraling...(ie setting the price for his draw, or value betting AQ, AK, AJ, AT, or just a str8 bluff, or T9 type hands)
i mean, turn play here is crucial...regardless of results...you are calling flop, to get money in on the turn...to stack off, whether that's raising small or hoping he bluff shoves drawing near dead, or drawing to a flush, or a str8 draw...or he shoves with 99, AQ, or whatever...i really think you need to get more money in on the turn. im fine with pf and flop play.
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