Factors to consider: stable climate, ie. warm weather year round. close to fresh water and farmland.

My boss posed me this question. He wants to find a place now where if the world goes to shit, he can be self sufficient.

Michigan. In 20 years they say that Michigan will have weather like Hawaii. And we have all those lakes.

Just buy him a tinfoil hat and tell him that will protect him all the world's evils.

I can't believe I'm the first to nominate the Playboy Mansion. hmmm..

Hawaii. Who the hell would nuke Hawaii? Worst case they secede from the US and nobody really cares anyways.

Canada!!! Oil in Alberta, more fresh water than ALL the rest of the world combined (which may someday be more precious than oil), control over the Northwest Passage, which will be the world's greatest shipping lane, and a nation full of Democrats, with highly stable government and a well educated, healthy citizenry. Coming in 20 years, year-round mild weather like the Mid-Atlantic (Virginia, Maryland, the Carolinas) enjoys now. I've looked into it -- the most pessimistic of the global warming experts was asked this, and his response was eastern Canada. Europe may be in a deep freeze if the Gulf Stream shuts down, everything south will be too hot, and Russia, the only other far-north country, isn't stable enough.

Plus, last time I was there, Canada had some dirt-effing-cheap real estate. I mean oceanfront cottages for $60,000 cheap. Bare land like $15,000. Buy-it-and-forget-it-for-20-years cheap.

Failing that, inside Fort Knox -- with a refrigerator.

Are you kidding me?

Oceanfront cottages for 60K? How long ago was that?

Only two people replied before you. It's not that unbelievable.

San Diego now ... Canada in 20 years.

my basement

I call top bunk.

You guys do know that the climate experts who are espousing the global warming mania are predicting a maximum of 4 degree increase in the next 100 years right?


Not so sure you want to trust Canada being warm year round with the 4 degree change.



As far as the best place to live?

Probably San Diego, insanely good temp, great beaches, hot women, football, baseball stadiums....expensive but beautiful

I will never live there because of the traffic.

It's for real. The location is really that secluded.

Um, as for the climate shift, I don't know. But I'd kinda like to live in canada someday just because it is a nice country.

Two years ago, in Nova Scotia. They've got a LOT of coast.

To Balloon Guy: this was an "absolute worst possible case scenario" guy, and he was looking at a full 100 years with every year hitting the worst possible projections for that year. It was more a thought experiment (as this thread is) than a real plan-for-it scenario. However, FWIW, comparing US government budget and economic forecasting to what actually wound up happening, the truth has been closest to the most negative outlooks (rather than the optimistic or neutral outlooks) about 75% of the time, closest to neutral about 25% of the time, and closest to optimistic almost never (this is true for both parties over the past 75 years). So if the government's science is as good as its fiscal planning, count on whatever the government is considering "the worst."

Also, four average degrees is a bigger change than you think. I sure don't want to start another "Let's Be Sensible" Thread, but the effects of relatively small temperature changes can be quite large when they tip a border area from semi-tropical into tropical and allow diseases like West Nile and malaria to spread into new areas, or when they virtually eliminate winter in an area with an average winter temperature that is now around 32 or 33, or when they increase the number of triple-digit heat days in the Midwest that kill crops or lead to drought in the South from, say, 20 days a year to 40. It won't take a doubling of temperature to do that, just an extra ten days in spring and fall that would have been a break in years past.

I think most places will still be fine. But I don't believe the world will be continually heating up in 20 years from now.

Richard Branson's private island, FTW.

http://www.neckerisland.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necker_Island...Virgin_Islands)

Best place in the world to live now, best place in the world to live 20 years from now.

Moonbase Astro.

San Francisco is awesome. So is the whole bay area (except Richmond and Oakland)

Hmm, I guess it would be possible in the east coast. I have a friend in Nova Scotia who just bought a home for 300k though.

Vegas, Vegas


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Japanese, 1941...?

I disagree, I live an hour from there and would not want to be any closer. Its a congested traffic nightmare.

SF is fun for an over night trip though, or day trip too.

yep.

There's more to warm weather than California.

I would say Australia now - in any of the major cities, you have warm sandy beaches 30 mins in one direction, and farmland and country 30 mins in the other direction. Big city in between. Very warm all year round. Good economy, one of the best standards of living in the world. Not nearly as populated as some megacities (though Sydney is a little too big for my liking).

20 years from now? Canada, New Zealand, China.

goddammit

For some reason I have always been intrigued by Madagascar. Right now if I could live anywhere in the world I would choose Nevada. I like the desert climate, the mild winters(as compared to Canada) and the gambling and whores . Maui was awesome when I went there when i was 18 but I would kind of feel closterphobic beeing stuck in the middle of the Pacific full time.

I'm bringing the pull out sofa.

This describes Des Moines, Iowa perfectly. But only the bolded part, nothing else applies.

I thought the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Just let him go, he's on a roll....

Pictures?

they're all part of one master race, silly

Courtesy of your local Salvation Army.

I would say either Melbourne (not really the city, just Crown ) or New York.
New York seems to have been getting larger and more active as it goes on.
Can't see anything that would change that.

Now: Melbourne, just made the move a month ago and am loving it.

20 years from now/the future: New Zealand, eventually the shit is going to hit the fan in regards to oil/nuclear weapons/rogue nations etc and I cant thik of a more sheltered (both geographically and politically) modern country than New Zealand. Im not planning on going back for quite a while but will always keep my NZ citizenship as I think it will be very valuable (to me) in the future.

So, are you near fresh water and agricultural land? Could you hunt for food if you needed too?

How are the real estate prices there now?

I like it hot; I'm staying in virginia


plus, I'm in central virginia, so if the seas rise, beach front property bitches

FYP

And then what do you do when the Hoover Dam gets attacked and taken out and its 115 degrees with no AC?

Zombie-proof bunker ftw

Well, there'd be plenty of water to go swimming in.

This is why ThreeJ has been voted the most valuable poster in OT 2 years running.