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simo_8ball
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $113.60
Hero: $50
CO: $42.25
Button: $40.85
SB: $50
BB: $21.75

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A icon_suit_spade.gif T icon_suit_heart.gif
UTG calls, Hero raises to $2.75, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, 2 folds.

Flop: T icon_suit_club.gif 8 icon_suit_club.gif 6 icon_suit_club.gif ($9.25, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7, Button raises all-in $38.1, SB folds, Hero calls $31.1 (pot was $54.35).

Villain is 58/16/3 over 70 hands.


Anyone fold here?
simo_8ball
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $22.75
UTG+1: $55.05
Hero: $59.05
Button: $42.25
SB: $45.85
BB: $45

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with K icon_suit_spade.gif A icon_suit_club.gif
UTG raises to $1, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises to $5, Button folds, SB calls, 2 folds, UTG+1 raises to $10, Hero raises to $38, SB folds, UTG+1 raises all-in $55.05, Hero calls $22.05 (pot was $93.55).

Flop: 8 icon_suit_heart.gif 6 icon_suit_heart.gif 3 icon_suit_spade.gif ($116.6, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $116.6)


Turn: T icon_suit_diamond.gif ($116.6, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $116.6)


River: 6 icon_suit_diamond.gif ($116.6, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $116.6)


Results:
Final pot: $116.6
Hero showed Ks Ac
UTG+1 showed Qd Qc



This was one hand previous, so it may look like I'm tilting.
Acid_Knight
I fold hand 1 and don't think too much about it. Your equity is pretty crappy against much of his range and you could already be losing.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Monday, January 28th, 2008, 5:39 PM) *
I fold hand 1 and don't think too much about it. Your equity is pretty crappy against much of his range and you could already be losing.

I can say with certainty that he is shoving anything like JcTx, QcTx or any Ac hand.

EDIT: And he is never folding QTo/JTo/etc preflop.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Monday, January 28th, 2008, 9:49 AM) *
I can say with certainty that he is shoving anything like JcTx, QcTx or any Ac hand.

EDIT: And he is never folding QTo/JTo/etc preflop.

You can close your eyes and pray that he's got JT or QT or something, but even those hands have like 40% equity against you. I'm sure he plays a set the same way, or KQ with the K or Q of clubs. If he's ever got a small made flush, you're drawing dead basically. I just like a fold here when it's slightly ahead or way behind and the pot isn't laying you much of a price.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Monday, January 28th, 2008, 6:19 PM) *
You can close your eyes and pray that he's got JT or QT or something, but even those hands have like 40% equity against you. I'm sure he plays a set the same way, or KQ with the K or Q of clubs. If he's ever got a small made flush, you're drawing dead basically. I just like a fold here when it's slightly ahead or way behind and the pot isn't laying you much of a price.

I need to be >36% to call.
NonZeroPossibility
I doubt he flopped the flush and most people aren't shoving a flopped flush unless it's with 2 small cards. He called a pretty big raise pf so is it safe to assume he doesn't have something like 4c5c?

Simo, if you think he has a JcTx, KcTx then you probably have to call. If it's QcJc, wouldn't you think he would try to slow play a little?
simo_8ball
QUOTE (NonZeroPossibility @ Monday, January 28th, 2008, 6:21 PM) *
I doubt he flopped the flush and most people aren't shoving a flopped flush unless it's with 2 small cards. He called a pretty big raise pf so is it safe to assume he doesn't have something like 4c5c?

Simo, if you think he has a JcTx, KcTx then you probably have to call. If it's QcJc, wouldn't you think he would try to slow play a little?

His range for calling the $2.75 preflop in position is probably something like:




Here is a HH of his (he is button with A4o - so two of his cards were dead):

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $111.85
Hero: $51.25
CO: $53.60
Button: $85.80
SB: $49.05
BB: $14

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with 4 icon_suit_heart.gif A icon_suit_spade.gif
UTG raises to $1, Hero folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB raises to $4.5, BB folds, UTG calls, Button calls.

Flop: 2 icon_suit_spade.gif 3 icon_suit_heart.gif J icon_suit_heart.gif ($14, 3 players)
SB bets $7.5, UTG folds, Button raises to $36.5, SB raises all-in $44.55, Button calls.

Turn: 2 icon_suit_club.gif ($103.1, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $103.1)


River: 5 icon_suit_heart.gif ($103.1, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $103.1)


Results:
Final pot: $103.1
Button showed 4s Ad
SB showed Kc Ks


This was after the AT hand (ya, from stacks it's obv I lost), but it's just one HH that gives the same read that I already had of him built from many earlier hands. This doesn't tell anything I didn't already know about his game.


That's why I think this is a tough decision in the first hand. I'm either way behind, or I'm a coinflip against even a random bluff. Am I 50/50 or slightly ahead often enough to call here though?

If he was 'normal' this would be an instafold.


Sorry I didn't include this read in the OP. I really should have.
dms26
I'm not a big fan of the call, even if we have the best hand we're really never a big favorite. I think you're usually either dodging a lot of cards or already beaten.
ah2388
Its unfortunate that these hands didnt happen in reverse order, bc then I think we can safely say its a pretty obv fold because youre going to find a much better spot down the line to get your money in vs this opp.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (ah2388 @ Monday, January 28th, 2008, 11:14 PM) *
Its unfortunate that these hands didnt happen in reverse order, bc then I think we can safely say its a pretty obv fold because youre going to find a much better spot down the line to get your money in vs this opp.

Nice try. Subtle. I will not fall for it.
00timh
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Monday, January 28th, 2008, 12:19 PM) *
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $113.60
Hero: $50
CO: $42.25
Button: $40.85
SB: $50
BB: $21.75

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A icon_suit_spade.gif T icon_suit_heart.gif
UTG calls, Hero raises to $2.75, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, 2 folds.

Flop: T icon_suit_club.gif 8 icon_suit_club.gif 6 icon_suit_club.gif ($9.25, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7, Button raises all-in $38.1, SB folds, Hero calls $31.1 (pot was $54.35).

Villain is 58/16/3 over 70 hands.
Anyone fold here?
Yeah, me.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Monday, January 28th, 2008, 9:19 AM) *
Anyone fold here?


So fast the cards might actually catch fire.
simo_8ball
Ya, he had 9s7c.
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