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TheCincinnatiKid
Can incorporating 23s into your $1/2 or $2/4 No Limit game prove to be profitable over time??

I find when i play it, it never hits, and when it does it usually gets draw out on. but I have seen high stakes players add it into their game when their oppponents are stacked fairly deep.

Anybody play it profitably over the long??

Or have any insight to playing this hand?
bobbywithani
Sure why not.
Zach6668
If you have to ask, you can't play it.

Period.
SuperJon
QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Monday, January 28th, 2008, 3:32 AM) *
If you have to ask, you can't play it.

Period.


Exactly.

If you're going to play a hand like 23s, you might as well start playing hands like 94. However, if you do play those hands, your intent should be on trying to outplay someone, rather than hit a hand.

All in all, I still believe it's correct to play TAG in nl cash games.
mikeysong
actually that's not true

i play it all the time

and there's a huge difference between 23s and 94. one is for giggle factor, the other is for implied odds
TB17
the greatest basketball player in the world wore 23, therefore you must pay him his respect by calling raises with his hand
mikeysong
hahahaha
TB17
not to be racist or anything but it should be said that 23s and 23c are more effective than 23h and 23d...DUCY?
Acid_Knight
The cards don't matter.

Play the player.

There is no spoon.
00timh
Raise it? NL cash game... not unless you feel you can get someone to put in some money and out play them because you have a ninja read on them, then it doesn't matter what hand you play. If I am in the BB and the sb does a donk min raise and there is no one else in the pot, I probably call this. Otherwise it gets tossed.
No_Neck
the only problem with 23s is if you hit a straight it will be the bottom end of the straight or the lowest possible flush.


I like playing though to tilt people. Just play it from the SB so it is half price.


(that last part might not be good advice)
drcossack
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Monday, January 28th, 2008, 10:28 AM) *
The cards don't matter.

Play the player.

There is no spoon.



I hate you.

BAN.
litlebullet
vpip w/ 23= 0.
David_Nicoson
I stay away from it personally.

It does have some nice deceptive properties.

E.g., Hero raises with 2 icon_suit_spade.gif 3 icon_suit_spade.gif . Flop comes A icon_suit_spade.gif 4 icon_suit_club.gif 8 icon_suit_heart.gif. Hero c-bets.

He can represent an ace on a flop that often misses the villain very convincingly, with a little draw in case the semibluff fails.
SuperJon
QUOTE (David_Nicoson @ Monday, January 28th, 2008, 7:53 PM) *
I stay away from it personally.

It does have some nice deceptive properties.

E.g., Hero raises with 2 icon_suit_spade.gif 3 icon_suit_spade.gif . Flop comes A icon_suit_spade.gif 4 icon_suit_club.gif 8 icon_suit_heart.gif. Hero c-bets.

He can represent an ace on a flop that often misses the villain very convincingly, with a little draw in case the semibluff fails.


Villain calls hero's c-bet.

5 comes on the turn.

Both players go all in.

Hero gets stacked by villain's 6 7
mikeysong
QUOTE (SuperJon @ Monday, January 28th, 2008, 5:08 PM) *
Villain calls hero's c-bet.

5 comes on the turn.

Both players go all in.

Hero gets stacked by villain's 6 7


because that happens all the time in nl hold'em
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (TheCincinnatiKid @ Sunday, January 27th, 2008, 11:57 PM) *
Can incorporating 23s into your $1/2 or $2/4 No Limit game prove to be profitable over time??

I find when i play it, it never hits, and when it does it usually gets draw out on. but I have seen high stakes players add it into their game when their oppponents are stacked fairly deep.

Anybody play it profitably over the long??

Or have any insight to playing this hand?



Sure. It's easy to get away from.
SuperJon
QUOTE (mikeysong @ Monday, January 28th, 2008, 9:33 PM) *
because that happens all the time in nl hold'em


Not all the time, but it does happen.

Besides I wouldn't have even made the lame joke if good ol' Dave would have made the 3rd card on the flop a 9.
CobaltBlue
QUOTE (No_Neck @ Monday, January 28th, 2008, 6:05 PM) *
the only problem with 23s is if you hit a straight it will be the bottom end of the straight or the lowest possible flush.

Hero has 3h.gif 2h.gif.

Flop ah.gif 4h.gif 5h.gif

Bottom end? Lowest possible?
00timh
QUOTE (SuperJon @ Monday, January 28th, 2008, 10:02 PM) *
Not all the time, but it does happen.

Besides I wouldn't have even made the lame joke if good ol' Dave would have made the 3rd card on the flop a 9.
Play it on a jackpot table and pray Villian has the 67 of hearts lol
Temporary Nuts
I can't believe this many posts have gone by and nobody's said:
"but its soooooooted"
mikeysong
QUOTE (Temporary Nuts @ Monday, January 28th, 2008, 8:45 PM) *
I can't believe this many posts have gone by and nobody's said:
"but its soooooooted"



i prolly say that a lot subconsciously smile.gif
Zach6668
QUOTE (CobaltBlue @ Monday, January 28th, 2008, 11:38 PM) *
Hero has 3h.gif 2h.gif.

Flop ah.gif 4h.gif 5h.gif

Bottom end? Lowest possible?

Yeah, then what do you do on the 6h, 7h, or 8h turn and or river when he outdraws you to a better straight flush?

Suck on that imo.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Monday, January 28th, 2008, 10:52 PM) *
Yeah, then what do you do on the 6h, 7h, or 8h turn and or river when he outdraws you to a better straight flush?

Suck on that imo.



BAD BEAT

NEW BOAT AND STRIPPERZ

duh
SuperJon
QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Tuesday, January 29th, 2008, 1:52 AM) *
Yeah, then what do you do on the 6h, 7h, or 8h turn and or river when he outdraws you to a better straight flush?

Suck on that imo.



QUOTE (mikeysong @ Monday, January 28th, 2008, 9:33 PM) *
because that happens all the time in nl hold'em
TheCincinnatiKid
Thank you everybody for telling me to play the player! OBVIOUSLY! My question is simply does anybody track there stats and have the hand being played semi often with a + earning.
I have tracked David Beynamine and Antonious showing 23s down a couple times
TheCincinnatiKid
U can usually get paid off very nicely when u flop 3 dueces, or even a 23K board when someone has AK
mikeysong
cincinnati

i was actually pretty serious about playing 23s. I do it all the time at 3/6nl. That's one of the more fun hands to play imo.
Temporary Nuts
QUOTE (mikeysong @ Tuesday, January 29th, 2008, 3:08 PM) *
cincinnati

i was actually pretty serious about playing 23s. I do it all the time at 3/6nl. That's one of the more fun hands to play imo.



Getting really drunk is a lot of fun too.

Wait... what do kids call that now a days? Getting retarded?
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (mikeysong @ Tuesday, January 29th, 2008, 12:08 PM) *
cincinnati

i was actually pretty serious about playing 23s. I do it all the time at 3/6nl. That's one of the more fun hands to play imo.



It's fun to run goot.
00timh
Hey, you bet or say call 23s in the BB and the flop is 259 and Villian bets and you call and keep calling to the river on a rag board, it is mega tilt for AK lol. In a way it is the same sort of deal with someone who feels they are racing AK/AQ with 22 but they run into AA but suck out. Getting sucked out with KK against your AA doesn't feel so bad but in reality it is the same suck out (we all know this)If you think you can outplay someone with rags, then it really doesn't matter what rags you have. You might as well play the lowest two. Then show it lol. Let them know just how bad they really are.

FTR, I will still toss this hand.
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