Help - Search - Members - Calendar
Full Version: Play For Stack?
FCP Poker Forum > Poker Strategy Forum > Omaha Poker
Shark527
PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.05 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($1.90)
UTG ($10.40)
MP ($3.52)
Button ($1.89)
Hero ($5.09)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, T, 4, Q.
UTG calls $0.05, MP calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.20) 8, 5, 7 (4 players)
Hero bets $0.2, BB folds, UTG raises to $0.8,

Bottom end of the straight with Q high flush draw, good enough to play for stack?
simo_8ball
Yeah, I get it in here.
craiger
Oh yeah, shovel icon_dance.gif
jmbreslin
Maybe I'm completely out to lunch, but this looks like a really bad spot for Hero. He has the bottom end of the straight, with no chance of improving there, and a draw to the 3rd nut flush. He could already be behind and drawing dead. With UTG showing aggression with the big flop raise, I'm playing this one cautiously. This looks like the exact kind of trouble hand that people who write about Omaha strategy warn us about, no?
simo_8ball
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Monday, January 28th, 2008, 1:09 AM) *
Maybe I'm completely out to lunch, but this looks like a really bad spot for Hero. He has the bottom end of the straight, with no chance of improving there, and a draw to the 3rd nut flush. He could already be behind and drawing dead. With UTG showing aggression with the big flop raise, I'm playing this one cautiously. This looks like the exact kind of trouble hand that people who write about Omaha strategy warn us about, no?

Against 96, we have a gutshot and a flushdraw.

Against pretty much any hand we either have the best hand with blockers or we have a good number of outs.
jmbreslin
Perhaps, but the outs may not be worth much. A GSD isn't worth a whole lot to begin with, and a non-nut flush can be very dangerous in this game. If Hero had the Ad I can understand, but this seems like a very questionable spot for him to be playing for his stack.
Shark527
Villian did end up having the 96 straight with no diamonds in hand, so with 9 for tie and diamond draw does hero's decision to shovel change here?
jmbreslin
Then you're basically drawing at 9 outs to win plus 3 more to tie. That's marginally better than a naked flush draw. I'm not pushing my stack in the middle with that. But the question is irrelevant since you don't know your flush outs are good when you have to make the decision.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Monday, January 28th, 2008, 6:28 PM) *
Then you're basically drawing at 9 outs to win plus 3 more to tie. That's marginally better than a naked flush draw. I'm not pushing my stack in the middle with that. But the question is irrelevant since you don't know your flush outs are good when you have to make the decision.

No, if a 9 comes we win.

We have T6.

We have 12 outs if his 9 isn't a diamond and 11 if it is.

Without the T I'm probably not shoving here.
jmbreslin
Right, sorry, I was going by the "9 for a tie" statement in his post.
Shark527
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Monday, January 28th, 2008, 1:01 PM) *
Right, sorry, I was going by the "9 for a tie" statement in his post.


"9 for tie" was a brain fart now that I look again.
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.
Invision Power Board © 2001-2012 Invision Power Services, Inc.