keith crime
Saturday, January 19th, 2008, 8:51 AM
How much would you pay to play this game?
You get to flip a coin until you get a head and in return I pay you 2 to the nth power with n being the number of tails you get before you get a head
so if you immediately get a head - I pay you 1 dollar
if you get a head on the second toss I pay you 2 dollars
if you get a head on the third toss I pay you 4 dollars
if you get a head on the fourth toss I pay you 8 dollars
if you get a head on the fifth toss I pay you 16 dollars
etc
TheRake_MD23
Saturday, January 19th, 2008, 8:57 AM
Sounds like vegas, however I pay then i get head or tail
James D
Saturday, January 19th, 2008, 8:59 AM
I'd pay $7 imo.
Just sounded like a nice figure to pay for nice game.
HollywoodAFD
Saturday, January 19th, 2008, 11:53 AM
1$ Then I'd go over to the Red Dog table and play there
Balloon guy
Saturday, January 19th, 2008, 12:05 PM
QUOTE (keith crime @ Saturday, January 19th, 2008, 8:51 AM)

How much would you pay to play this game?
You get to flip a coin until you get a head and in return I pay you 2 to the nth power with n being the number of tails you get before you get a head
so if you immediately get a head - I pay you 1 dollar
if you get a head on the second toss I pay you 2 dollars
if you get a head on the third toss I pay you 4 dollars
if you get a head on the fourth toss I pay you 8 dollars
if you get a head on the fifth toss I pay you 16 dollars
etc
nevermind
ISAM
Ron_Mexico
Saturday, January 19th, 2008, 1:24 PM
How much would I pay to go back in time and not open this thread?
runthemover
Saturday, January 19th, 2008, 1:41 PM
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Saturday, January 19th, 2008, 1:24 PM)

How much would I pay to go back in time and not open this thread?
two bits
donk4life
Saturday, January 19th, 2008, 1:43 PM
I wish this thread was about giving head
simo_8ball
Saturday, January 19th, 2008, 1:51 PM
QUOTE (keith crime @ Saturday, January 19th, 2008, 4:51 PM)

How much would you pay to play this game?
You get to flip a coin until you get a head and in return I pay you 2 to the nth power with n being the number of tails you get before you get a head
so if you immediately get a head - I pay you 1 dollar
if you get a head on the second toss I pay you 2 dollars
if you get a head on the third toss I pay you 4 dollars
if you get a head on the fourth toss I pay you 8 dollars
if you get a head on the fifth toss I pay you 16 dollars
etc
1/2 of the time = $1
1/4 = $2
1/8 = $4
1/16 = $8
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(1/2 x 1) + (1/4 x 2) + (1/8 x 4) + .... = 1/2 + 1/2 + 1/2 + 1/2 + .... --> infinity.
Our average return is $infinity.
That means theoretically we should pay anything up to infinity-1 to play the game just once (if we ignore the utility of money).
simo_8ball
Saturday, January 19th, 2008, 2:11 PM
27 flips will get us to $67m. If we assume that any more is almost irrelevant to our lives ($100bn = $67m in utility), then:
50c x 27 = $13.5.
We should pay at most $13.5 to play the game.
If you up that to $1bn being your utility 'cap', so to speak, that's 31 flips, so you should pay at most $15.5.
keith crime
Saturday, January 19th, 2008, 2:30 PM
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Saturday, January 19th, 2008, 2:11 PM)

27 flips will get us to $67m. If we assume that any more is almost irrelevant to our lives ($100bn = $67m in utility), then:
50c x 27 = $13.5.
We should pay at most $13.5 to play the game.
If you up that to $1bn being your utility 'cap', so to speak, that's 31 flips, so you should pay at most $15.5.
excellent answer
its funny how its ev is infinity though - i guess no one here plays poker for the math
LongLiveYorke
Saturday, January 19th, 2008, 2:53 PM
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Saturday, January 19th, 2008, 4:51 PM)

Our average return is $infinity.
That means theoretically we should pay anything up to infinity-1 to play the game just once
Which, unfortunately, is also infinity.
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Saturday, January 19th, 2008, 4:51 PM)

(if we ignore the utility of money).
Ah, there's the rub.
I knew exactly the answer to the question posed in the thread before I even opened it.
HollywoodAFD
Saturday, January 19th, 2008, 3:22 PM
I changed my mind... I want my dollar back
SpiderGuard
Sunday, January 20th, 2008, 12:23 PM
double post...
SpiderGuard
Sunday, January 20th, 2008, 12:29 PM
So yeah...changing the assumption to the idea that you don't have to pay for every flip changes how much I choose to play:
1/2 the time your EV is $1 - $x (whatever you paid to play)
1/4 = $2 - $x 3/4 = -$x
1/8 = $4 - $x 7/8 = -$x
1/16 = $8 - $x 15/16 = -$x
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1/2^27 = $67,000,000 - $x 1-(1/2^27) = -$x
Simplifying that, and solving for 0 you get:
0.499 - $x = 0
Breakeven point for the game approaches $0.50 - so if you can play it for less than that life is good.
simo_8ball
Sunday, January 20th, 2008, 12:37 PM
QUOTE (SpiderGuard @ Sunday, January 20th, 2008, 8:29 PM)

It's a one time fee.
You pay $X and then flip until you hit heads.
EDIT: I'm slow
SpiderGuard
Sunday, January 20th, 2008, 12:49 PM
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Sunday, January 20th, 2008, 12:37 PM)

It's a one time fee.
You pay $X and then flip until you hit heads.
EDIT: I'm slow
I'm the slow one who misread it in the first place...I just happened to beat you to the edit

Second post fixed to represent the real rules of the game.
simo_8ball
Sunday, January 20th, 2008, 1:13 PM
QUOTE (SpiderGuard @ Sunday, January 20th, 2008, 8:29 PM)

So yeah...changing the assumption to the idea that you don't have to pay for every flip changes how much I choose to play:
1/2 the time your EV is $1 - $x (whatever you paid to play)
1/4 = $2 - $x 3/4 = -$x
1/8 = $4 - $x 7/8 = -$x
1/16 = $8 - $x 15/16 = -$x
.
.
.
1/2^27 = $67,000,000 - $x 1-(1/2^27) = -$x
Simplifying that, and solving for 0 you get:
0.499 - $x = 0
Breakeven point for the game approaches $0.50 - so if you can play it for less than that life is good.
Minimum payout is $1, so the breakeven point has to be at least $1.
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