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keith crime
How much would you pay to play this game?

You get to flip a coin until you get a head and in return I pay you 2 to the nth power with n being the number of tails you get before you get a head

so if you immediately get a head - I pay you 1 dollar

if you get a head on the second toss I pay you 2 dollars

if you get a head on the third toss I pay you 4 dollars

if you get a head on the fourth toss I pay you 8 dollars

if you get a head on the fifth toss I pay you 16 dollars

etc
TheRake_MD23
Sounds like vegas, however I pay then i get head or tail
James D
I'd pay $7 imo.


Just sounded like a nice figure to pay for nice game.
HollywoodAFD
1$ Then I'd go over to the Red Dog table and play there
Balloon guy
QUOTE (keith crime @ Saturday, January 19th, 2008, 8:51 AM) *
How much would you pay to play this game?

You get to flip a coin until you get a head and in return I pay you 2 to the nth power with n being the number of tails you get before you get a head

so if you immediately get a head - I pay you 1 dollar

if you get a head on the second toss I pay you 2 dollars

if you get a head on the third toss I pay you 4 dollars

if you get a head on the fourth toss I pay you 8 dollars

if you get a head on the fifth toss I pay you 16 dollars

etc


nevermind

ISAM
Ron_Mexico
How much would I pay to go back in time and not open this thread?
runthemover
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Saturday, January 19th, 2008, 1:24 PM) *
How much would I pay to go back in time and not open this thread?

two bits
donk4life
I wish this thread was about giving head
simo_8ball
QUOTE (keith crime @ Saturday, January 19th, 2008, 4:51 PM) *
How much would you pay to play this game?

You get to flip a coin until you get a head and in return I pay you 2 to the nth power with n being the number of tails you get before you get a head

so if you immediately get a head - I pay you 1 dollar

if you get a head on the second toss I pay you 2 dollars

if you get a head on the third toss I pay you 4 dollars

if you get a head on the fourth toss I pay you 8 dollars

if you get a head on the fifth toss I pay you 16 dollars

etc

1/2 of the time = $1
1/4 = $2
1/8 = $4
1/16 = $8
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(1/2 x 1) + (1/4 x 2) + (1/8 x 4) + .... = 1/2 + 1/2 + 1/2 + 1/2 + .... --> infinity.

Our average return is $infinity.

That means theoretically we should pay anything up to infinity-1 to play the game just once (if we ignore the utility of money).
simo_8ball
27 flips will get us to $67m. If we assume that any more is almost irrelevant to our lives ($100bn = $67m in utility), then:

50c x 27 = $13.5.

We should pay at most $13.5 to play the game.

If you up that to $1bn being your utility 'cap', so to speak, that's 31 flips, so you should pay at most $15.5.
keith crime
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Saturday, January 19th, 2008, 2:11 PM) *
27 flips will get us to $67m. If we assume that any more is almost irrelevant to our lives ($100bn = $67m in utility), then:

50c x 27 = $13.5.

We should pay at most $13.5 to play the game.

If you up that to $1bn being your utility 'cap', so to speak, that's 31 flips, so you should pay at most $15.5.


excellent answer

its funny how its ev is infinity though - i guess no one here plays poker for the math smile.gif
LongLiveYorke
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Saturday, January 19th, 2008, 4:51 PM) *
Our average return is $infinity.

That means theoretically we should pay anything up to infinity-1 to play the game just once


Which, unfortunately, is also infinity.

QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Saturday, January 19th, 2008, 4:51 PM) *
(if we ignore the utility of money).



Ah, there's the rub.


I knew exactly the answer to the question posed in the thread before I even opened it.
HollywoodAFD
I changed my mind... I want my dollar back
SpiderGuard
double post...
SpiderGuard
So yeah...changing the assumption to the idea that you don't have to pay for every flip changes how much I choose to play:

1/2 the time your EV is $1 - $x (whatever you paid to play)
1/4 = $2 - $x 3/4 = -$x
1/8 = $4 - $x 7/8 = -$x
1/16 = $8 - $x 15/16 = -$x
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1/2^27 = $67,000,000 - $x 1-(1/2^27) = -$x

Simplifying that, and solving for 0 you get:

0.499 - $x = 0

Breakeven point for the game approaches $0.50 - so if you can play it for less than that life is good.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (SpiderGuard @ Sunday, January 20th, 2008, 8:29 PM) *

It's a one time fee.

You pay $X and then flip until you hit heads.

EDIT: I'm slow
SpiderGuard
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Sunday, January 20th, 2008, 12:37 PM) *
It's a one time fee.

You pay $X and then flip until you hit heads.

EDIT: I'm slow


I'm the slow one who misread it in the first place...I just happened to beat you to the edit wink.gif

Second post fixed to represent the real rules of the game.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (SpiderGuard @ Sunday, January 20th, 2008, 8:29 PM) *
So yeah...changing the assumption to the idea that you don't have to pay for every flip changes how much I choose to play:

1/2 the time your EV is $1 - $x (whatever you paid to play)
1/4 = $2 - $x 3/4 = -$x
1/8 = $4 - $x 7/8 = -$x
1/16 = $8 - $x 15/16 = -$x
.
.
.
1/2^27 = $67,000,000 - $x 1-(1/2^27) = -$x

Simplifying that, and solving for 0 you get:

0.499 - $x = 0

Breakeven point for the game approaches $0.50 - so if you can play it for less than that life is good.

Minimum payout is $1, so the breakeven point has to be at least $1.
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