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cwik
SB is a donk, 57/16/1.94/100
BB is kinda weird, 4/0/0/28 so we can at least assume he is tight.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $200
Hero: $351.50
CO: $70.25
Button: $252.45
SB: $111.70
BB: $197

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with K icon_suit_spade.gif A icon_suit_heart.gif
UTG folds, Hero raises to $7, 2 folds, SB calls, BB raises to $28, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: 8 icon_suit_diamond.gif 3 icon_suit_spade.gif K icon_suit_club.gif ($84, 3 players)
SB is all-in $83.7, BB raises all-in $169, Hero ...
ROBBBIGG
28 hands doesn't make too good of a read. If it's 100+, I think you might be able to find a fold, but I'm calling because 28 hands doesn't make much of a read.

I have top pair top kicker! smile.gif I also rarely fold to weird shoves on the flop when I have a hand. Are we supposed to believe BB has Aces and is shoving to get you off your hand?
Bubba83
This board has absolutely no draws so I think you're tied with one of them for the lead in the best case scenario, and plenty of times someone has AA or a set. Although I don't quite understand why BB would repop it here ever.
ROBBBIGG
QUOTE (Bubba83 @ Monday, January 14th, 2008, 1:37 AM) *
This board has absolutely no draws so I think you're tied with one of them for the lead in the best case scenario, and plenty of times someone has AA or a set. Although I don't quite understand why BB would repop it here ever.


If you're SB, you don't have Aces because you'd raise pf. On your most donkish days, if you do hit a set, are you shoving this flop when you can at least get a C-bet out of someone?

If you're BB and you have Aces or a set, would you ever shove this flop with one more player to go? What does that accomplish?
CobaltBlue
QUOTE (ROBBBIGG @ Monday, January 14th, 2008, 3:32 AM) *
28 hands doesn't make too good of a read.

Doesn't seem like it, but his stats mean that he's played 1/28 hands...at 6-max...and never taken a single aggressive action. Yeah, it's not a huge sample, and he could've certainly been card or situation dead, but I think there's a clear enough trend there. What hand do you think he could have that we beat? I assert that he's got AA/AK/KK/88. We tie with one of those. Why invest $169 after only initially investing $28 when our best hope is a tie?
mikeysong
what's bb's 3betting frequency? If he's capable of light 3betting, this is a great spot for a 4bet pre

i can't bring myself to click fold......w/BB's 0-like aggression factor, I just can't see him shoving a set. I would think he'd click call to act "sneaky"

yuck.
krup24
i fold this flop so fast that it would make my head spin. honestly a villian that has those stats even after 28 hands at 6-max i would consider folding this preflop.
ah2388
i cry and fold

its pretty player dependant though
Acid_Knight
Cobalt makes it sound simple, but folding top top makes me sad. I still do it here.

Cwik snap called for sure smile.gif
StilettoNole
This is not simple at all... and it is really gross, but I think I think long and hard about it, and then frustratedly press the fold button. At this point, we only have $28 in the pot, and I think we are behind at worst and splitting at best. We have grinded our $200 buy in up $151; do we really want to risk all of our profit (and hard work) to be splitting at best?
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (StilettoNole @ Monday, January 14th, 2008, 9:38 AM) *
At this point, we only have $28 in the pot

Unimportant

QUOTE (StilettoNole @ Monday, January 14th, 2008, 9:38 AM) *
I think we are behind at worst and splitting at best.

This matters and is why we fold.

QUOTE (StilettoNole @ Monday, January 14th, 2008, 9:38 AM) *
We have grinded our $200 buy in up $151; do we really want to risk all of our profit (and hard work) to be splitting at best?

What does this have to do with anything?
StilettoNole
Maybe I am a loser... but I have a very hard time putting my profits (the money I have grinded for) at risk when it is a extremely marginal situation. I don't mind putting it in if it is the right play, but I think calling here is marginal at best and I don't want to risk my hard earned dough in a situation like this.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (StilettoNole @ Monday, January 14th, 2008, 10:12 AM) *
Maybe I am a loser... but I have a very hard time putting my profits (the money I have grinded for) at risk when it is a extremely marginal situation. I don't mind putting it in if it is the right play, but I think calling here is marginal at best and I don't want to risk my hard earned dough in a situation like this.

This should never have any bearing at the poker table. It's one long session. Putting in chips here is almost certainly -EV, so he should fold. Nothing else should matter. How much you're up or down and how much you "invested" in the pot do not affect EV.
cwik
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Monday, January 14th, 2008, 7:26 AM) *
Cobalt makes it sound simple, but folding top top makes me sad. I still do it here.

Cwik snap called for sure smile.gif


Hey, I time banked it!
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (cwik @ Monday, January 14th, 2008, 2:46 PM) *
Hey, I time banked it!

smile.gif

AA?
cwik
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Monday, January 14th, 2008, 2:52 PM) *
smile.gif

AA?


obv.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (cwik @ Monday, January 14th, 2008, 3:05 PM) *
obv.

What'd the SB have?
CobaltBlue
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Monday, January 14th, 2008, 5:30 PM) *
What'd the SB have?

Kh2h
cardcore
why does nobody think KQ is a possibility?
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (cardcore @ Monday, January 14th, 2008, 7:14 PM) *
why does nobody think KQ is a possibility?

A guy who's played 1 hand out of 28 is probably not going totally nuts with KQ here. You're really praying if you assign him that hand.
NoBBiR
QUOTE (StilettoNole @ Monday, January 14th, 2008, 10:12 AM) *
Maybe I am a loser... but I have a very hard time putting my profits (the money I have grinded for) at risk when it is a extremely marginal situation. I don't mind putting it in if it is the right play, but I think calling here is marginal at best and I don't want to risk my hard earned dough in a situation like this.


You sound like you aren't rolled to play whatever game you play in, or are not confident in your play to win it back. Your profit is absolutely meaningless. It's only more bullets.

Putting your money in when you are a 50.01 to 49.99 favorite is always right. Always. That is, unless you are not properly rolled, like I said above.
NoBBiR
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Monday, January 14th, 2008, 3:30 PM) *
What'd the SB have?


I think he almost had to have AK here for his line to make any sense. I guess he could have 88 too, but meh.


QUOTE (cardcore @ Monday, January 14th, 2008, 7:14 PM) *
why does nobody think KQ is a possibility?

QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Monday, January 14th, 2008, 7:36 PM) *
A guy who's played 1 hand out of 28 is probably not going totally nuts with KQ here. You're really praying if you assign him that hand.
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