waylander11
Monday, January 14th, 2008, 12:06 AM
Live 1-2 NL cash
PLayer A has ~300
Player B has ~700
UTG calls UTG+2 calls, player A in 5th positon calls, Player B in 6th position raises to 12, all three limpers call
flop is 8d 3d 8c
checks to player B who bets $40, only player A calls
turn is 3s
Pot is $122
Player A bets $50, Player B calls
Pot is $222
River is Qs
Player A goes all in for ~$200
What does player A have? What is your calling range if you're player B? What do you think player B has?
ROBBBIGG
Monday, January 14th, 2008, 12:58 AM
Flop:Player A can have any 78, 89, Two diamonds, or Any overpair 10s or less. (He'll probably repop pf with AA, KK, and I'd expect a raise on the flop with AA-JJ). He could even have 3s and want to be tricky. Player B probably has an overpair or two broadway cards. He's a lot less likely to have the flopped full, and is unlikely to have an 8.
Turn: Player A doesn't have a flush draw. I think suited connectors with an 8 unless he's crazy, and I assume not being wacky is part of this game. Player B doesn't just have two broadway cards. He's pretty likely to have AA/KK/QQ.
River: Player A has the 8 so often here. Player B is folding unless he just rivered a full house Queens over 8s, and then he's doing a dance.
HollywoodAFD
Monday, January 14th, 2008, 2:38 PM
Making an all-in bet of $200 at a $200 pot might make me think he has a K... it's not a real value bet so he may be trying to run you off the 3's and 8's on the board with his K kicker.
I'm not thinking he's boated up unless he has been slow-playing earlier and trapping others well...
Making a bet that size really makes me think he does not want a call.
waylander11
Monday, January 14th, 2008, 3:31 PM
QUOTE (HollywoodAFD @ Monday, January 14th, 2008, 5:38 PM)

Making an all-in bet of $200 at a $200 pot might make me think he has a K... it's not a real value bet so he may be trying to run you off the 3's and 8's on the board with his K kicker.
I'm not thinking he's boated up unless he has been slow-playing earlier and trapping others well...
Making a bet that size really makes me think he does not want a call.
so are you saying you call there with A high?
Acid_Knight
Monday, January 14th, 2008, 3:32 PM
If you're gonna make posts like this, at least provide some reads for the players so that people aren't just picking any 2 random cards.
Andromeda
Monday, January 14th, 2008, 3:33 PM
my guess:
the nuts and the 2nd nuts
what do I win?
El Guapo
Monday, January 14th, 2008, 3:34 PM
Player A = A8
Player B = Ace high flush draw
those are my guesses
HollywoodAFD
Monday, January 14th, 2008, 3:58 PM
Yes... I call
David_Nicoson
Monday, January 14th, 2008, 4:37 PM
Player A has 7

8

.
Player B has A

K

. I fold the turn.
waylander11
Monday, January 14th, 2008, 5:30 PM
I'm player A here and i have 7d9d, i wanted to check whether this line is believable or not. Is there any way you can call if you're player B the way the hand played out unless you have QQ? I was thinking it through and i thought maybe the 50 on the turn looked like a block bet and the all in was too much on the end. I was actually hoping she would call the turn so i could make more money with my river bluff. All in all i thought i played the hand well but i ended up getting called by 1010. I came to the conclusion that my oponent was just a really bad player but i might be wrong. Criticism on all steets is welcome.
Royal_Tour
Monday, January 14th, 2008, 8:33 PM
There is no reason in this hand to float the flop in hopes to steal the pot on a later street.
He also has 700 behind, which tells me he is a lucky call station, or a good player.
because we dont know which it is, its hard to figure out his logic,
but I can tell you that your logic is severely flawed.
The pot is about 50 on the flop.
he bets 40.
you call 40 with plans to invest another 50 to win a grand total of 90+your 40. And thats if he has AK, AQ or is capable of laying down QQ-AA here.
so in a sense, you're risking 90 here to win 90. Not worth it, especially in a situation like this.
Dont try and be Mike Mcdermott, thats all i can say.
ROBBBIGG
Monday, January 14th, 2008, 9:31 PM
QUOTE (waylander11 @ Monday, January 14th, 2008, 5:30 PM)

I'm player A here and i have 7d9d, i wanted to check whether this line is believable or not. Is there any way you can call if you're player B the way the hand played out unless you have QQ? I was thinking it through and i thought maybe the 50 on the turn looked like a block bet and the all in was too much on the end. I was actually hoping she would call the turn so i could make more money with my river bluff. All in all i thought i played the hand well but i ended up getting called by 1010. I came to the conclusion that my oponent was just a really bad player but i might be wrong. Criticism on all steets is welcome.
Don't bluff 1-2 Live?
Acid_Knight
Monday, January 14th, 2008, 9:36 PM
QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Monday, January 14th, 2008, 8:33 PM)

There is no reason in this hand to float the flop in hopes to steal the pot on a later street.
Unless I'm missing something, he flopped a flush draw.
I'd fold the turn and the river bluff is absolutely horrible.
Royal_Tour
Monday, January 14th, 2008, 11:06 PM
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Monday, January 14th, 2008, 9:36 PM)

Unless I'm missing something, he flopped a flush draw.
I'd fold the turn and the river bluff is absolutely horrible.
Oh, i didnt even notice that. This is a poor way to play it IMO. with a paired board we dont know which outs are good and which might fill him up.
regardless, villain bet the pot, we have no other calls. there is no reason to proceed. I'm sure we've all folded FD's, as cool as they are.
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