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iggymcfly
Overpair on a paired flop. I'm saying new because I thought I was good at these spots for a while, but I'm getting smoked lately. Multiway, I'm pretty comfortable. Bet once and then shut down. Fold if someone bets. HU it's a little tougher. It seems like whenever I finally get convinced that no one's every bluffing me after flat-calling the flop, something like this happens:

PokerStars Game #14521440690: Omaha Pot Limit ($2/$4) - 2008/01/13 - 02:41:17 (ET)
Table 'Telephus III' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: DiamondJoe11 ($1270.50 in chips)
Seat 2: NewBornBaby ($892.50 in chips)
Seat 3: MattyFlushes ($322.60 in chips)
Seat 4: rixon777 ($70 in chips)
Seat 5: iggymcfly ($671 in chips)
Seat 6: dangdang187 ($400 in chips)
iggymcfly: posts small blind $2
dangdang187: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to iggymcfly [As Ad 9d Jh]
DiamondJoe11: folds
NewBornBaby: folds
MattyFlushes: folds
rixon777: raises $10 to $14
iggymcfly: raises $32 to $46
dangdang187: calls $42
rixon777: raises $24 to $70 and is all-in
iggymcfly: calls $24
dangdang187: calls $24
*** FLOP *** [4c 4h 5h]
iggymcfly: bets $20
dangdang187: calls $20
*** TURN *** [4c 4h 5h] [8c]
iggymcfly: bets $120
dangdang187: calls $120
*** RIVER *** [4c 4h 5h 8c] [Ts]
iggymcfly: checks
dangdang187: bets $152
iggymcfly: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dangdang187: shows [Kc Ah 2d 7h] (a pair of Fours)
dangdang187 collected $280 from side pot
rixon777: shows [3h 8s Kh Kd] (two pair, Kings and Fours)
rixon777 collected $207 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $490 Main pot $207. Side pot $280. | Rake $3
Board [4c 4h 5h 8c Ts]
Seat 1: DiamondJoe11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: NewBornBaby folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: MattyFlushes folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: rixon777 (button) showed [3h 8s Kh Kd] and won ($207) with two pair, Kings and Fours
Seat 5: iggymcfly (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 6: dangdang187 (big blind) showed [Kc Ah 2d 7h] and won ($280) with a pair of Fours


Granted, if I reraised small enough to allow a 4-bet preflop, this hand would have been easy, and I didn't play the flop very well either, but I still am hating this spot lately. I could post another 10 times where it's gone wrong just today. Didn't want to post something general about my weaknesses on 2+2 with the HU tourney going on, but I am kind of curious how people typically deal with this spot. The side-pot's a little atypical, but what about if it's just HU. What's your typical line with AA or KK on a flush draw board? A dry board? In position? Out of position? Just looking for some different approaches here.
bdc30
There's $210 in the pot on the flop, how come you only led out $20??
fitzinabox
that is $120 is it not? maybe im just drunk...
bdc30
70+70+70 = 210

fwiw, on this specific hand, I'm potting flop and calling a shove.
when he shows AK72 with one suit, i'm flipping the table over for him calling $70 preflop with that shit.
iggymcfly
The only hand I ever pot the flop with on a paired board is the underfull or occasionally top boat if it's a really vulnerable board (say 774). My standard bet size on that flop would be $140-$160. I just tried to get cute because it was a dry side pot. Here's a more typical hand:

POKERSTARS GAME #14453014798: OMAHA POT LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2008/01/10 - 07:12:34 (ET)
Table 'Herba IV' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: DiamondJoe11 ($243.70 in chips)
Seat 2: murallin ($467.10 in chips)
Seat 3: JA2377 ($216.10 in chips)
Seat 4: jled ($239.50 in chips)
Seat 5: SheilaShark ($959.70 in chips)
Seat 6: iggymcfly ($334 in chips)
DiamondJoe11: posts small blind $2
murallin: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to iggymcfly [Jd Ac 9c Ad]
JA2377: folds
jled: folds
SheilaShark: folds
iggymcfly: raises $10 to $14
DiamondJoe11: calls $12
murallin: folds
*** FLOP *** [7c 2h 2s]
DiamondJoe11: checks
iggymcfly: bets $24
DiamondJoe11: calls $24
*** TURN *** [7c 2h 2s] [4s]
DiamondJoe11: checks
iggymcfly: checks
*** RIVER *** [7c 2h 2s 4s] [5d]
DiamondJoe11: bets $75
iggymcfly: calls $75
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DiamondJoe11: shows [2c Jc Ks Kh] (three of a kind, Deuces)
iggymcfly: mucks hand
DiamondJoe11 collected $227 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $230 | Rake $3
Board [7c 2h 2s 4s 5d]
Seat 1: DiamondJoe11 (small blind) showed [2c Jc Ks Kh] and won ($227) with three of a kind, Deuces
Seat 2: murallin (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: JA2377 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: jled folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: SheilaShark folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: iggymcfly (button) mucked [Jd Ac 9c Ad]
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