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Jujoki3
No real reads, just sat down. Preflop is pretty standard for me. I guess on the flop i should've bet more, but i was just loading up tables and was rushed. What hands can you put villian on?


FullTiltPoker Game #4706695425: Table Freeman - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:54:33 ET - 2008/01/02
Seat 1: Run You Over 22 ($102.80)
Seat 2: capt appletons ($88.60)
Seat 3: skiddoo23 ($129.25)
Seat 4: Its RIGGIGGITY ($105.85)
Seat 5: diamondsare4eva ($37.50)
Seat 6: doneright1 ($112.40)
Seat 7: seaoharewhy ($95.50)
Seat 8: redwingwin ($98.90)
Seat 9: Jujoki3 ($100)
redwingwin posts the small blind of $0.50
Jujoki3 posts the big blind of $1
doneright1 posts a dead small blind of $0.50
doneright1 posts $1
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Jujoki3 [Qh Qc]
Run You Over 22 folds
capt appletons folds
skiddoo23 raises to $4
Its RIGGIGGITY folds
diamondsare4eva folds
doneright1 folds
seaoharewhy folds
redwingwin has 15 seconds left to act
redwingwin folds
Jujoki3 has 15 seconds left to act
Jujoki3 raises to $14
skiddoo23 calls $10
*** FLOP *** [Td 9d 7s]
Jujoki3 has 15 seconds left to act
Jujoki3 bets $17
skiddoo23 calls $17
*** TURN *** [Td 9d 7s] [Js]
Jujoki3 checks
skiddoo23 has 15 seconds left to act
skiddoo23 bets $98.25, and is all in
drcossack
QUOTE (Jujoki3 @ Wednesday, January 2nd, 2008, 1:08 AM) *
No real reads, just sat down. Preflop is pretty standard for me. I guess on the flop i should've bet more, but i was just loading up tables and was rushed. What hands can you put villian on?
FullTiltPoker Game #4706695425: Table Freeman - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:54:33 ET - 2008/01/02
Seat 1: Run You Over 22 ($102.80)
Seat 2: capt appletons ($88.60)
Seat 3: skiddoo23 ($129.25)
Seat 4: Its RIGGIGGITY ($105.85)
Seat 5: diamondsare4eva ($37.50)
Seat 6: doneright1 ($112.40)
Seat 7: seaoharewhy ($95.50)
Seat 8: redwingwin ($98.90)
Seat 9: Jujoki3 ($100)
redwingwin posts the small blind of $0.50
Jujoki3 posts the big blind of $1
doneright1 posts a dead small blind of $0.50
doneright1 posts $1
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Jujoki3 [Qh Qc]
Run You Over 22 folds
capt appletons folds
skiddoo23 raises to $4
Its RIGGIGGITY folds
diamondsare4eva folds
doneright1 folds
seaoharewhy folds
redwingwin has 15 seconds left to act
redwingwin folds
Jujoki3 has 15 seconds left to act
Jujoki3 raises to $14
skiddoo23 calls $10
*** FLOP *** [Td 9d 7s]
Jujoki3 has 15 seconds left to act
Jujoki3 bets $17
skiddoo23 calls $17
*** TURN *** [Td 9d 7s] [Js]
Jujoki3 checks
skiddoo23 has 15 seconds left to act
skiddoo23 bets $98.25, and is all in



Convert hand. There's stickied topics with links you can use.


Anyway. Onto the hand itself.

Preflop, I like.

Flop: I'd bet somewhere between 20-25.

Turn: Yuck, but I don't think he has an 8 here because of his big bet. I'm thinking he raise/called with a hand like 10's or Jacks (maybe 9's), and the board is really scary for his hand. I've made that play with flopped sets on monotone boards before.

It's a clear fold, IMO.
pt special
QUOTE (drcossack @ Wednesday, January 2nd, 2008, 12:34 AM) *
Turn: Yuck, but I don't think he has an 8 here because of his big bet. I'm thinking he raise/called with a hand like 10's or Jacks (maybe 9's), and the board is really scary for his hand. I've made that play with flopped sets on monotone boards before.

i think this is an 8 a lot of the time considering its a pretty low stake and the average at 100nl doesnt think on to many different levels
i think he turned a straight saw that it was still draw heavy, and shoved

i think i 3 b pf a little move
bet a little more on the flop to try to induce him to play for stack
blocker bet the turn and fold to a shove

as played easy fold
Andromeda
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $102.80
UTG+1: $88.60
MP1: $129.25
MP2: $105.85
MP3: $37.50
CO: $112.40
Button: $95.50
SB: $98.90
Hero: $100

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with Q icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_club.gif
2 folds, MP1 raises to $4, 5 folds, Hero raises to $14, MP1 calls.

Flop: T icon_suit_diamond.gif 9 icon_suit_diamond.gif 7 icon_suit_spade.gif ($28.5, 2 players)
Hero bets $17, MP1 calls.

Turn: J icon_suit_spade.gif ($62.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 is all-in $98.25.
Uncalled bets: $98.25 returned to MP1.

River: : ($160.75, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $160.75)


Results:
Final pot: $160.75
Acid_Knight
Fold
Jujoki3
lol. thx for convert. its hard to tell what "level" someone is on because it is the 100 nl. surely there are some thinking players. i ended up calling and he showed JJ. not sure why he shoved still because the straight draw card came on turn. Just one time i want to get the thought process of a person like villian.
David_Nicoson
QUOTE (Jujoki3 @ Thursday, January 3rd, 2008, 12:24 AM) *
lol. thx for convert. its hard to tell what "level" someone is on because it is the 100 nl. surely there are some thinking players. i ended up calling and he showed JJ. not sure why he shoved still because the straight draw card came on turn. Just one time i want to get the thought process of a person like villian.

That villain's thinking, "I have no idea how to play the river. I'm putting all my chips in now. It might even look like a bluff."

It's not really a bad thought.
rainbowbrite
fold


I like his over bet here. If you have 88 fine he paid you, but if he can get you to call with a hand like he did and get paid, its really a greay play. I just read an article on card player by a online pro about mixing in over bets. I think he knows its very unlikley you turned a straight. But he knows its deff possible you have qq or ak with a flush draw. I am interested what the rest of you think of his play? I really like the villans line here.
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