First, I couldn't convert the hand because it wasn't a hand history of mine and FTR wasn't working for some reason for me. This is during the Final 3 tables of a Deepstack tourney, 18 paid. I actually think there were 28 left. Average in the tourney was around 34K at this point. Table is pretty tight except one big stack playing about 75% of hands.


Blinds are 200/400/25

SB (t21915)
BB (t29884)
UTG (t54518)
MP1 (t53138) guy playin everyhand
MP2 (t48457)
CO (t33843)
Hero button (t49738)

Hero has ,

Preflop action: UTG folds, MP1 raises to 1200, MP2 calls, CO folds, Hero calls, SB folds, BB folds. Pot: 4375

Flop is: , ,

MP1 bets 1200, MP2 raises to 2800, Hero ?????

with stacks so deep what is the move here with the current nuts and a raise and reraise ahead of you?

Gotta be a fold...

I realize that maybe I'm in the minority here but I don't think an shove for 100 bb's is necessary in this case. I apologize for asking.

Ja shoving is kinda gross, considering their calling ranges will slim considerably and they will fold hands we have beat that we want value from
I might make it 15K and ship any turn that isn't a D or doesn't pair the board.

I posted in the thread in general that I think shoving is a bad idea here, especially if we think we can keep MP1 in the hand as well as MP2.

What about a smooth call here, followed by a turn bet to anything that's not a diamond (I'm far less scared of the set than StupidKid is here). If MP2 knows that MP1 is playing every hand, his raising range is far wider than just a set or better.

Considering I watched ben for a good 2 hours at this table.. I was definitely afraid for a set on the flop reraise. Personally, I think a flat call here is correct to, then reassess the turn. No doubt if every is on 20 BB stacks I push, but with stacks so deep you are only getting called by someone with a set or a flush draw. Now we're up against two to come with no redraw if he gets there... it's a very marginal spot IMO especially when LAGtard was bleeding chips and we are a top 5 stack so close to the money.

I'm fine with getting it in against a set or a flush draw....

Oh noes, not a flush draw!

Jesus christ people he has the ****ing nuts and all you can think about is getting to the turn and looking for any reason to throw your hand away cause you're scared of bubbling.

I think calling is pretty awful here, there's sooooooo many draws that he could have here that we need to charge, and so many possible strong hands that someone will shove over us and we can get it all in with the nuts.

Lol your posts ^^^^ are pretty much perma ridiculously angry.
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It's not so much that we're scared of the flush draw, we're scared of pushing out hands like AQ.

I don't even know if a medium flush draw calls...

We have the nuts, we're trying to extract maximum value here, not scare away medium strength hands that are drawing weak/dead against us.

When the flop and action go like this, we need to maximise value from strong 2-pairs and sets while maximising the price someone has to pay to draw out on us with whatever they have.

When you're deepstacked, you should be more inclined to raise to protect your hand from draws and get value from hands you're beating but will call/shove over you. Calling here is just asking for trouble on the river and turn.

the pot is about 8300 so i'd raise to about 6000-7000 here. if he "just" has something like AQ, he's gonna be scared after your reraise anyways, no matter how much you raise behind. it's possible you get a shove from mp2 with a set or two pair, or even a flush draw, however, you'll get at least a call from them, because they only have to pay about 4000-5000 or whatever to call 13k/14k/15k with two pair (or a set or a flushdraw).

on a little note: i doubt if anyone apart of a really good player would be able to fold a set here, to any bet. the ONLY hand that beats a set (i just combine the 3 sets here, because i think noone with a set is worried about a higher set) is that what you have, king then. I don't know if someone can put you on KT here, because you basically said that you are one of the tight players on the table (you didnt say something else at least). so basically if someone has a set or two pair, i think he's going to pay you off and say "villain gets paid off here if he's THAT lucky".

so with a raise like that, i think you achieve what you want. get a shove from a set / two pair / maybe a flush draw, and probably at least calls from all of those.

if you can put you're opponent specifically on AQ though, i would just minraise. the only way to squeeze more money out of AQ here is to give him the odds to call. its doubtable that a player will risk his deepstack on tptk on a board like that.

oh and yeah, we don't consider mp1 too much after his weaksauce cbet, however, you might be unlucky/lucky to get action from 2 draws at once. in that case reevaluate the turn.

All-in to represent the flush draw.

Middle position player probably has something decent to raise on this flop. You don't want a scare turn card slowing him down.