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AimHigher
Few notes,

UTG+1 has been quiet, in $1.20 9 mans I assume tight-average unless I have seen them get out of hand.
MP1 is uber loose-passive, he calls raises preflop very liberally without much consideration for position. Very passive post flop, I have been robbing him blind since I noticed he was loose-passive.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG (t1370)
UTG+1 (t2070)
MP1 (t2220)
MP2 (t1550)
Hero (t2145)
Button (t1275)
SB (t1610)
BB (t1260)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, Q.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t60, MP1 calls t60, 1 fold, Hero raises to t200, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls t140, MP1 calls t140.

Tight-average min raises, I am a little suspicious of his raise because
Loose-passive calls (he's done this a lot so I am not worried)
I crank it up to 200 (maybe I should raise more preflop?), they both call.

Flop: (t645) 5, T, 9 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets t400, UTG+1 raises to t800, MP1 folds, Hero calls t400.

Here I can't help but think, "Would he min-raise me unless he has me beat?"
I thought that AT could still be within his range so I called.

Turn: (t2245) 8 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t1145 (All-In), UTG+1 calls t1070 (All-In).

I feel I'm committed on the turn
Anybody hate the shove? might be donkish.

River: (t4460) J (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t4385
sactownjoey
At these levels, min raises are hard to read w/o much information. If he is really tight, I'm thinking 99 or 1010 after the post flop raise (or even KK AA) and cuss while mucking.
AimHigher
Just a quick note,

When I say, "in $1.20 9 mans I assume tight-average unless I have seen them get out of hand." I mean, "in $1.20 9 mans I assume tight average if they have been fairly quiet up until now." He was pretty quiet, mostly folding and I didn't see him raise once.
Sheiky
Just shove the flop and get it over with.

You're not folding an overpair in a $1 SNG in this spot.

He has kings or aces, GG, get into the next one, it's not worth trying to find hero folds here, people play spazzy.

How is the turn shove donkish??? You have less than half a pot sized bet and you're not gonna fold on the river, shoving the turn after calling the flop is 100% standard.

I'm guessing you get beat in this hand, but really there's nothing else you can do, your raise PF was fine, your flop bet was fine, your flop call was fine(though i prefer shove), your turn shove was fine.
sactownjoey
QUOTE (Sheiky @ Friday, December 28th, 2007, 2:57 PM) *
Just shove the flop and get it over with.

You're not folding an overpair in a $1 SNG in this spot.

He has kings or aces, GG, get into the next one, it's not worth trying to find hero folds here, people play spazzy.

How is the turn shove donkish??? You have less than half a pot sized bet and you're not gonna fold on the river, shoving the turn after calling the flop is 100% standard.

I'm guessing you get beat in this hand, but really there's nothing else you can do, your raise PF was fine, your flop bet was fine, your flop call was fine(though i prefer shove), your turn shove was fine.

What good is his read on the player if he is not going to use it? The guy barely plays, never raises and all the sudden he's calling reraises preflop and raising on the flop?

Fold to the reraise and you have 1545 left and the BB is still only $30. I'm guessing AimHigher won when the river J gave him a straight.
Sheiky
A) You cannot get any serious reads that somebody is tight in the second level of a $1 SNG.
cool.gif Reads pretty much are useless in these, you cannot get a good enough idea of how someone plays on the basis of one SNG because you hardly get to see their cards and the stack sizes change so much that you can never really tell how someone's playing at that moment in time. Plus the players are all donkeys who don't really know what they're doing anyway.

I used to play a lot of these SNGs and tried to get reads on other players by one tabling, i did better when i had no reads because i often tried to use my 'reads' to play differently when in fact the read was wrong.
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