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TB17
Villain was a 15/12 pretty standard TAG, got stacked with KK/AA, then about 5 orbits later I check and he's near 20/15.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)

BB ($84.85)
UTG ($232.70)
MP ($350.85)
Hero ($693.90)
Button ($100.95)
SB ($82.55)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9d.gif, 6d.gif.
1 fold, MP raises to $8, Hero calls $8, Button calls $8, SB calls $7, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($40) kc.gif, 6h.gif, 9h.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP bets $20, Hero raises to $65, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, MP raises to $342.85
drcossack
QUOTE (TB17 @ Wednesday, December 26th, 2007, 12:22 AM) *
Villain was a 15/12 pretty standard TAG, got stacked with KK/AA, then about 5 orbits later I check and he's near 20/15.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)

BB ($84.85)
UTG ($232.70)
MP ($350.85)
Hero ($693.90)
Button ($100.95)
SB ($82.55)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9d.gif, 6d.gif.
1 fold, MP raises to $8, Hero calls $8, Button calls $8, SB calls $7, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($40) kc.gif, 6h.gif, 9h.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP bets $20, Hero raises to $65, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, MP raises to $342.85


Call, cry/kick the cat/throw mouse against the wall when he counterfeits/runner runners quads.
krup24
i dunno i put villian on very few hands. AA, KK, AKh, QKh, AK tough spot don't know if i'm good enough to get away. and i fold this pf probably 90% of the time.
tskillz187
Snap call...reasoning in challenge thread smile.gif
staggo
looks like ak or something like khqh...I don't see how you could fold here
Acid_Knight
I don't think he plays KK that fast (there's another raise interval in there for him with top set I'm sure) and you beat everything else.

Snap call and I'm gonna check the challege thread and see what's up.
noteye
I think it is a dangerous call, you are most likely ahead but it is a weak hand, I would have to call, AK he wouldn't have bet so much, KK he would have sucked you in, you are just over 50% if he has Kh Xh, you have to go with your gut on this one
NoBBiR
QUOTE (noteye @ Thursday, December 27th, 2007, 9:28 AM) *
I think it is a dangerous call, you are most likely ahead but it is a weak hand, I would have to call, AK he wouldn't have bet so much, KK he would have sucked you in, you are just over 50% if he has Kh Xh, you have to go with your gut on this one


Doesn't matter. You're ahead of everything except KK and flipping or WA of everything else. Snap call.
mikeysong
fist pump, shove!
rdtedm
Everyone says we're only behind KK. Does no one include 66, 99 in his range? Less likely since OP holds both a six and a nine, but I think many players play any set this way.
tskillz187
QUOTE (rdtedm @ Thursday, December 27th, 2007, 1:00 PM) *
Everyone says we're only behind KK. Does no one include 66, 99 in his range? Less likely since OP holds both a six and a nine, but I think many players play any set this way.


There was a little bit more discussion in the challenge thread (of general poker) on this one. It's kind of rough because a lot of the better players post their hands there instead of here, so you have to look in there a lot for hands too, but there are some great pieces of information in that thread.

Not that I like pimping people to leave NL Strat but, you can help your game by reading through there (I actually think you post in there, you might have just missed the discussion).

Basically he could have those other sets but those are case cards out and it's just a super cooler. If he's open raising K6/k9ss the only suited combination is spades, because there is a K club on board, we have them in dia and the hearts are out there. This is way more likely to be a tilting guy shoving a flush draw, AK, AA, or something worse.

The results were that he shoved KQo and hero won a big pot.
sactownjoey
What does the MP 1/2 pot post flop bet tell everyone? Trap or weak?

Ahh, see above that it was weak.
TB17
QUOTE (tskillz187 @ Thursday, December 27th, 2007, 1:19 PM) *
The results were that he shoved KQo and hero won a big pot.


Don't forget the Ah coming on the river and me slamming my mouse down prematurely
rdtedm
QUOTE (TB17 @ Thursday, December 27th, 2007, 1:39 PM) *
Don't forget the Ah coming on the river and me slamming my mouse down prematurely


Lol, yeah, because by now all you beat is KQo :/

Running better lately? (Aside from live, saw the trip report, lollerskates)
pt special
ya i dont see how u can fold there, since it was obv he was steaming and u flop bottom 2 vs him
board is so sickly draw heavy that folding this would be a huge mistake.......and hes going broke with top pair
Royal_Tour
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Wednesday, December 26th, 2007, 9:50 AM) *
I don't think he plays KK that fast (there's another raise interval in there for him with top set I'm sure) and you beat everything else.

Snap call and I'm gonna check the challege thread and see what's up.


why wouldnt he? you would.

anyways, obv brag post at OP trying to save a little face from his vegas bust out.

Teddy trying to show us he is a winning player but u give off tells like a 12 year old russian prostitute.

end thread/

also, fold preflop.6,9suited is such trash. honest to god trash to play that way.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Thursday, December 27th, 2007, 8:44 PM) *
why wouldnt he? you would.

No, there's another interval in there for me with KK or any hand I'm gonna raise there.
throwemaway
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Thursday, December 27th, 2007, 9:50 PM) *
No, there's another interval in there for me with KK or any hand I'm gonna raise there.


What do you mean by another interval
Royal_Tour
QUOTE (throwemaway @ Thursday, December 27th, 2007, 11:21 PM) *
What do you mean by another interval


he means instead of goingall in. he reraises.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Friday, December 28th, 2007, 12:02 AM) *
he means instead of goingall in. he reraises.

Yeah, stack sizes are pretty awkwardly large and the board isn't draw-heavy enough for me to feel the need to make a huge overbet shove here, so I'd just put in another raise of like 3x his raise and then call if he shoves.
throwemaway
Ok thats what I figured, just never heard that term used before
CobaltBlue
QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Thursday, December 27th, 2007, 10:44 PM) *
also, fold preflop.6,9suited is such trash. honest to god trash to play that way.

I agree that folding pre-flop is preferred, but I don't think it's crazy to call in that spot against a TAG depending on how he plays post-flop...you'll be able to take the pot away pretty frequently. Maybe not as much when he's tilting, but then your implied odds go up.

I'm not frequently a fan of bottom two against heavy action and don't think it's a mistake to regularly throw it away in such scenarios, but in this particular case, Stove says this...

Hand 0: 46.337% 46.33% 00.00% 23853 1.50 { KK+, 99, 66, AKs, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh, KQs, KhJh, KhTh, K9s, QhJh, QhTh, JhTh, Th8h, 8h7h, 7h5h, AKo, KQo, K9o }
Hand 1: 53.663% 53.66% 00.00% 27624 1.50 { 9d6d }

Yeah, we're essentially "flipping", but considering all of the money in the pot, we only need to be 39%, so yeah...this is a pretty clear call.
Zach6668
Wassup Marchant? Haven't seen you in forever. I was gonna hit you up on AIM, but you're not on there either.
Royal_Tour
QUOTE (CobaltBlue @ Friday, December 28th, 2007, 1:22 AM) *
I agree that folding pre-flop is preferred, but I don't think it's crazy to call in that spot against a TAG depending on how he plays post-flop...you'll be able to take the pot away pretty frequently. Maybe not as much when he's tilting, but then your implied odds go up.

I'm not frequently a fan of bottom two against heavy action and don't think it's a mistake to regularly throw it away in such scenarios, but in this particular case, Stove says this...

Hand 0: 46.337% 46.33% 00.00% 23853 1.50 { KK+, 99, 66, AKs, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh, KQs, KhJh, KhTh, K9s, QhJh, QhTh, JhTh, Th8h, 8h7h, 7h5h, AKo, KQo, K9o }
Hand 1: 53.663% 53.66% 00.00% 27624 1.50 { 9d6d }

Yeah, we're essentially "flipping", but considering all of the money in the pot, we only need to be 39%, so yeah...this is a pretty clear call.



ya, HU is different tho,, we saw this flop 5 handed.
sactownjoey
War Eagle, Cobalt.
CobaltBlue
QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Friday, December 28th, 2007, 3:34 AM) *
Wassup Marchant? Haven't seen you in forever. I was gonna hit you up on AIM, but you're not on there either.

Just been kind of busy with holiday stuff. This month has been my lightest poker month in my career (less than 30 hours).

QUOTE (sactownjoey @ Friday, December 28th, 2007, 4:04 PM) *
War Eagle, Cobalt.

War Eagle.
mikeysong
i disagree with folding 69suited preflop. I play it all day long. The whole point of this hand is to get it multiway because of our implied odds. We're not playing it to hit a pair and win. We're looking to play our draws, which leads to other actions you can take postflop.
Royal_Tour
QUOTE (mikeysong @ Friday, December 28th, 2007, 7:48 PM) *
i disagree with folding 69suited preflop. I play it all day long. The whole point of this hand is to get it multiway because of our implied odds. We're not playing it to hit a pair and win. We're looking to play our draws, which leads to other actions you can take postflop.



i play it too, just not in this spot. we're the 1st guy calling the raise and we dont close the action, and cant guarantee we have position on everyone.

it just smells bad from the get go.

also, FYI, u dont need to explain the fact that we're playing a connecting suited hand to hit draws. thanks tips.
mikeysong
lol mitchhhhhh why are you so hostile online : ( You're like the friendliest canadian teddybear in person

His call isn't bad. Folding isn't bad either. You can play it profitably by calling there. Despite what books might say, you don't need to be closing the action to call here. If it becomes heads up, you play your position. If it's multiway, then super implied odds whooooooooo
Zach6668
QUOTE (mikeysong @ Saturday, December 29th, 2007, 3:21 AM) *
lol mitchhhhhh why are you so hostile online : ( You're like the friendliest canadian teddybear in person

LOOOOOL

I know, all I want to do is strangle him on FCP, but def not in reality. lol.
Royal_Tour
QUOTE (mikeysong @ Saturday, December 29th, 2007, 12:21 AM) *
lol mitchhhhhh why are you so hostile online : ( You're like the friendliest canadian teddybear in person

His call isn't bad. Folding isn't bad either. You can play it profitably by calling there. Despite what books might say, you don't need to be closing the action to call here. If it becomes heads up, you play your position. If it's multiway, then super implied odds whooooooooo



QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Saturday, December 29th, 2007, 12:50 AM) *
LOOOOOL

I know, all I want to do is strangle him on FCP, but def not in reality. lol.



duuudes, I never proof read anything on here. Only reason i debate this way is cuz i know u guys and its the best way to get your honest opinions in situations which is much more valuable.

I used to hate strat cuz every reply was "shovel, reload, bbfidts, ainec" and then followed by a bunch of QFT's. Even if at times my posts might sound strange,or obvious, or even out in left field its only to really benefit myself, and anyone else who might care to venture through.

i love you with all my heart mikey. when u back in vegas or area?
mikeysong
QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Saturday, December 29th, 2007, 1:05 AM) *
duuudes, I never proof read anything on here. Only reason i debate this way is cuz i know u guys and its the best way to get your honest opinions in situations which is much more valuable.
I used to hate strat cuz every reply was "shovel, reload, bbfidts, ainec" and then followed by a bunch of QFT's. Even if at times my posts might sound strange,or obvious, or even out in left field its only to really benefit myself, and anyone else who might care to venture through.

i love you with all my heart mikey. when u back in vegas or area?


that's fine...but u're just so scary : / I feel like you just wanna rip my eyes out and step on them =(



ty : ) I dunno tbh. I might come in march but by then you'll be gone right?
simo_8ball
QUOTE (mikeysong @ Saturday, December 29th, 2007, 8:21 AM) *
You're like the friendliest canadian teddybear in person


QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Saturday, December 29th, 2007, 8:50 AM) *
all I want to do is strangle him on FCP, but def not in reality. lol.


QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Saturday, December 29th, 2007, 9:05 AM) *
i love you with all my heart mikey. when u back in vegas or area?


Zach6668
Where did you get that picture of Mikey?
mikeysong
last time I checked I'm asian. that's you ************ and don't you deny it
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (TB17 @ Tuesday, December 25th, 2007, 9:22 PM) *
Villain was a 15/12 pretty standard TAG, got stacked with KK/AA, then about 5 orbits later I check and he's near 20/15.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)

BB ($84.85)
UTG ($232.70)
MP ($350.85)
Hero ($693.90)
Button ($100.95)
SB ($82.55)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9d.gif, 6d.gif.
1 fold, MP raises to $8, Hero calls $8, Button calls $8, SB calls $7, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($40) kc.gif, 6h.gif, 9h.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP bets $20, Hero raises to $65, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, MP raises to $342.85



Five people seeing this flop and you want to go to war with bottom two?
Clear fold. Bottom two sucks.
Royal_Tour
lol @ simo, look at your avatar, and you're calling others gay?
mikeysong
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Saturday, December 29th, 2007, 9:14 AM) *
Five people seeing this flop and you want to go to war with bottom two?
Clear fold. Bottom two sucks.



wait

is this sarcasm or are you serious

if you're serious, you realize you're not really playing poker anymore. You're just trying to play your own game called "gimme free money once an hour" Too bad no one plays it though : /
NoBBiR
QUOTE (rdtedm @ Thursday, December 27th, 2007, 12:00 PM) *
Everyone says we're only behind KK. Does no one include 66, 99 in his range? Less likely since OP holds both a six and a nine, but I think many players play any set this way.


It's so unlikely that it is basically not even worth worrying about. If he shows me 99 or 66 here, I'd take the next 60 years of my life off of poker.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Saturday, December 29th, 2007, 8:21 PM) *
lol @ simo, look at your avatar, and you're calling others gay?

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