E-Cart6
Tuesday, December 25th, 2007, 1:20 PM
Hand taken from a 4.40
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t100/t200
9 players
ConverterPre-flop: (
9 players) Hero is UTG with
Hero raises to t555, UTG+1 calls t555
(pot was t855),
6 folds, BB calls t355
(pot was t1410).
Flop:

(
t1765, 3 players)
BB checks,
Hero bets t1000, UTG+1 calls t1000
(pot was t2765), BB calls t1000
(pot was t3765).
Turn: 
(
t4765, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.
River: 
(
t4765, 3 players)
BB bets t2400, Hero calls t2400
(pot was t7165), UTG+1 folds.
Results:Final pot: t9565
BB showed Ks Tc
Hero mucks Kd Qd
Should i just stop c-betting if people chase me with these kind of hands?
This happens to me all the time, i lose chips more often because i c-bet and people chase me with ricidulous hands... should i stop c-betting against donks and only bet if i hit a flop?
Doug
Tuesday, December 25th, 2007, 3:23 PM
I found this out a while ago and it's very situational. For example barry greenstein who c-bets every flop I think? That certainly does not work against donks. I try to control the pot size vs donks and not let it get too big if im in the situation as above. I would probably check this down and then call a river bet, obviously you would have lost but not as much. A c-bet on this flop isnt terrible though even versus a donk because it's less likely he has hit with the pair there. But when drawing flops come down in the region of Jacks, tens, nines kind of area i've found it best to take a free one and only c-bet when they look uber weak. I got better at it over time and obviously it's still not perfect but it's better than c-betting like 90% of flops like I did when i first started playing.
throwemaway
Tuesday, December 25th, 2007, 3:38 PM
Need stacks
Doug
Tuesday, December 25th, 2007, 3:42 PM
Donks don't really take into their stack size remember. I see them call for 1/3 of their stack pf and limp for 1/7 of their stack especially at the 1/200 blind levels. But your stack size relevant to theirs is always helpful.
throwemaway
Tuesday, December 25th, 2007, 4:01 PM
QUOTE (Doug @ Tuesday, December 25th, 2007, 3:42 PM)

Donks don't really take into their stack size remember. I see them call for 1/3 of their stack pf and limp for 1/7 of their stack especially at the 1/200 blind levels. But your stack size relevant to theirs is always helpful.
Stack sizes are compeletely relevant here..we NEED this info..It totally alters our preflop and flop play
E-Cart6
Tuesday, December 25th, 2007, 4:26 PM
It's not this particular hand.... just in general. this was just an example.
I had like 9k and he had 6k or so.
jmbreslin
Tuesday, December 25th, 2007, 4:31 PM
As a general rule I will never CB into more than 1 opponent with a missed hand, unless I'm sufficiently deep to make such a move. You're OOP against 2 opponents who called your UTG raise PF and you have nothing but a GSD with overcards. This is a good time to not CB.
Wingman008
Tuesday, December 25th, 2007, 4:33 PM
Is raising with KQs really a +ev move from utg against donks?
Should i just stop c-betting if people chase me with these kind of hands?
Yes. If they aren't going to lay down, then why bother investing more unless you hit?
River: Can we get away from this? I mean, we hit what we wanted to hit, albeit it happened after he bet.
I think we can. I think he holds something that beats us 80% of the time with the way the hand played out.
Jargonator
Tuesday, December 25th, 2007, 4:34 PM
Well in general, I don't C-bet in this spot for a few reasons
1. Multi-way pot.
2. Paired and Draw heavy board (esp. for 2 cold callers)
3. OOP the rest of the hand.
I prob wouldn't play KQs utg either, but i'm a nit.
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