I was curious to know your guys take on what to do on the turn here? Was running pretty decent on this table so I decided to call the raise pre-flop after limping. I usually raise pre-flop with pp in any position.

I think this is an install, but wanted to get re-assurance.

He bet 10 into this pot so it only cost me 10 to a pot of 30. I thought I had some decent implied odds here if he had high pp since he wouldn't put me on my hand.


Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $36.40
UTG+1: $39.95
Hero: $113.75
MP2: $45
MP3: $59.30
CO: $22.55
Button: $29.30
SB: $49.50
BB: $96.90

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP1 with
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $0.5 (pot was $1.25), MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $3, 5 folds, Hero calls $2.5 (pot was $4.75).

Flop: ($7.25, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $6, Hero calls $6 (pot was $13.25).

Turn: ($19.25, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $10,

What changed from the flop to the turn?

You're getting better odds now, than you got on the flop.

To be honest, I got results oriented on the turn thinking I wasn't going to get there instead of thinking about the pot and implied oddds of hitting haha.

uhhh your equity

Our equity has nothing to do with our flop call though.

(Can't tell if you're just being a smart ass or not.)

Pot odds go up, but odds to hit go down with 1 card to come instead of 2. If you think you are behind, you have 10 outs (if a 4 doesn't give him a straight) and your action will most likely be dead.

You can call if you expect to be able to extract value if you hit. Personally, I fold.

Nothing changes.

We're calling the flop expecting to see one card, not both.

Wtf does this have to do with anything?

Hint: Read This

Exactly.



What do you mean "wtf does this have to do with anything."

HE WAS ON A SWEET HEATER. CALL WITH 94o WHEN YOU'RE ON A HEATER, IT'S +EV.

EDIT: Used the word "shove" too many times.

Can someone please do the math to figure out how often a turn shove needs to get a fold for this to be a profitable all in?

I would jam this turn about a billion percent of the time, but I'd like to see the math.

If he had 64o, you'd feel pretty dumb right now!

Give me a range.

AK-AJ with and without spades, AT, 77+.

too wide and why no 66

I was thinking the same thing here. You have to figure any ace, 4 or 6 gives you the best hand. I'm also thinking you have some fold equity here as well. This could be AK/AQ here quite often. It seems to me like he's firing a second barrel after you've checked it twice. I would expect AA-JJ to bet more than half the pot on the turn.

You think it's too wide? I think a big ace keeps firing with the wheel draw. I don't know why I cut it off at 77, I just did.

I thought the same as Naismith, high unpaired cards may continue to fire at this pot enough (and if we're at the turn it's likely AK, AQ still betting) that a shove might get them to fold and we might turn out to have the best hand anyway. Even if we turn out to be wrong we have a decent amount of outs to win.

Personally I think if we're including 66, we're including 55 too (and probably everything down to 22). I agree with Naismith that A(x) with a big card, with or without spades SHOULD keep firing (not necessarily will though):



I guess if we're tightening the range...:



I dunno about this one, but I guess his 6x raising range preflop could be tighter than above...:

Well at this stakes it would be hard to put someone on a range of that low of cards with his 3 dollar raise that occured pre-flop which usually never happens unless they are trying to make a play or maybe had 9s-AKs and didn't want to see a flop. Is it possible yes, but the likelyhood no. The make up this particular table there wouldn't really be a need to make a play as everyone played pretty standard and I wasn't playing in an agressive manner.

To answer the question what does running well at this table have to do with anything. Well if I'm hitting flops I'll be more inclined to make a call why the hell not. And in regards to this particular hand I was going to play it if it was raised anyways. So really my comment was just wasted space.

That is a good point brought up odds get good but chances of hitting go down with one card to go. Also, implied odds play an important part since even though you are getting the odds to call how many times are you going to get paid off if you hit. He would have to have a hand that he just couldn't let go off.


Well I called this hand here since I was getting good pot odds to call this. I hit my straight on the river and ended up betting 30 into this pot where he shoved. He hit a set on turn so I was only drawing to the straight. The funny part is that the only reason he bet so small on the turn is because he hit which became an advantage for me in cost for one more card. I think any other card lower than his 10 he probably would have bet more.

How many of you woud agree that going into the turn here that you would have to have the right pot odds to make this call? I think a bet any higher I couldn't have called. And no way I would shove here. I wasn't quite sure where I was at and being oop I'd rather keep the pot small.

Did you read the link? Your chances of hitting a flop have nothing to do with previous hands. Seriously, just stop thinking this way, or quit poker, and go back to the pit.


No. Because you're not calling the flop to see the turn AND river. You're calling the flop to see a turn. On the turn, you're calling to see a river.

Fundamentals.


If you are getting the odds to call, implied odds are not relevant to the decision. They are just a bonus, at that point. You can't fold, for example, a nut flush draw, getting 6-1, because you expect him to c/f the river when it hits.


So you see why our drawing odds don't change from the flop to the turn?

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Why do I give this shit away for free?

Yes.