Trying to get back in tourney mode... usually a cash game player. These are the 2 hands where I lost all my chips both with 55 in the top 80 or so in the Full Tilt Midnight Madness tourney. I was chatting with a couple FCPers on AIM and they said I made the right move both times, but I'd like you guys to critique for me.

First 55, Raiser was pushing a lot, I thought with a big pocket pair he would raise more which is why I put him on overcards. I was ready to flip, but he ended up having me dominated... too aggressive???

Full Tilt Poker Game #4595359679: Midnight Madness! (34237698), Table 147 - 600/1200 Ante 150 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:03:05 ET - 2007/12/23
Seat 1: hestiaboys (20,991)
Seat 3: DEKE971 (14,020)
Seat 4: gt_IV (36,435)
Seat 5: brianpeake (57,279)
Seat 6: grooverider80 (4,710)
Seat 7: drik (12,949)
Seat 8: DucksRule08 (56,163)
Seat 9: King_Tanner (37,640)
hestiaboys antes 150
DEKE971 antes 150
gt_IV antes 150
brianpeake antes 150
grooverider80 antes 150
drik antes 150
DucksRule08 antes 150
King_Tanner antes 150
King_Tanner posts the small blind of 600
hestiaboys posts the big blind of 1,200
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to King_Tanner [5c 5s]
DEKE971 raises to 3,000
gt_IV folds
brianpeake folds
grooverider80 folds
drik folds
DucksRule08 folds
King_Tanner has 15 seconds left to act
King_Tanner raises to 11,400
hestiaboys folds
DEKE971 has 15 seconds left to act
DEKE971 has requested TIME
DucksRule08: so aronld in jingle all the way.....greatest movie ever
DEKE971 raises to 13,870, and is all in
King_Tanner calls 2,470
DEKE971 shows [Tc Ts]
King_Tanner shows [5c 5s]
*** FLOP *** [As Kh Qs]
Studinator (Observer): 5!
*** TURN *** [As Kh Qs] [4h]
*** RIVER *** [As Kh Qs 4h] [Qd]
DEKE971 shows two pair, Queens and Tens
King_Tanner shows two pair, Queens and Fives
DEKE971 wins the pot (30,140) with two pair, Queens and Tens
The blinds are now 800/1,600 with an ante of 200
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 30,140 | Rake 0
Board: [As Kh Qs 4h Qd]
Seat 1: hestiaboys (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: DEKE971 showed [Tc Ts] and won (30,140) with two pair, Queens and Tens
Seat 4: gt_IV folded before the Flop
Seat 5: brianpeake folded before the Flop
Seat 6: grooverider80 folded before the Flop
Seat 7: drik folded before the Flop
Seat 8: DucksRule08 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: King_Tanner (small blind) showed [5c 5s] and lost with two pair, Queens and Fives


Second 55.... I was playing pretty tight the SB was raising my big blind a lot and I was folding. I figured with a guy limping on the button, he would have to make a raise if he had an ok or good hand, with the limps I put both players on not strong hands which is why I pushed. I couldn't believe sb limped with 99.

Full Tilt Poker Game #4595392212: Midnight Madness! (34237698), Table 147 - 800/1600 Ante 200 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:08:06 ET - 2007/12/23
Seat 1: hestiaboys (17,641)
Seat 2: YOUNGBLOOD71 (56,365)
Seat 3: DEKE971 (47,060)
Seat 4: gt_IV (24,585)
Seat 5: brianpeake (50,070)
Seat 6: grooverider80 (5,300)
Seat 7: drik (25,198)
Seat 8: DucksRule08 (53,213)
Seat 9: King_Tanner (17,920)
hestiaboys antes 200
YOUNGBLOOD71 antes 200
DEKE971 antes 200
gt_IV antes 200
brianpeake antes 200
grooverider80 antes 200
drik antes 200
DucksRule08 antes 200
King_Tanner antes 200
DucksRule08 posts the small blind of 800
King_Tanner posts the big blind of 1,600
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to King_Tanner [5c 5h]
hestiaboys folds
YOUNGBLOOD71 folds
DEKE971 folds
gt_IV folds
brianpeake folds
grooverider80 folds
drik calls 1,600
DucksRule08 calls 800
King_Tanner has 15 seconds left to act
King_Tanner raises to 17,720, and is all in
drik folds
DucksRule08: hmmm
DucksRule08 has 15 seconds left to act
DucksRule08 has requested TIME
tuckermitchell (Observer): just fold
DucksRule08: gl
Studinator (Observer): looooooool
DucksRule08 calls 16,120
King_Tanner shows [5c 5h]
DucksRule08 shows [9d 9h]
*** FLOP *** [Js 4h Td]
tuckermitchell (Observer): damnit
*** TURN *** [Js 4h Td] [6h]
tuckermitchell (Observer): 5
*** RIVER *** [Js 4h Td 6h] [8c]
King_Tanner shows a pair of Fives
DucksRule08 shows a pair of Nines
DucksRule08 wins the pot (38,840) with a pair of Nines
King_Tanner stands up

You played aweful

2nd hand is okay, though a button limp at this blind level is a bit suspicious, but the first hand is brutal. A shortstack raising for 1/4 his chips from UTG when he should be pushing any raise is a huge red flag, especially when you say he had been pushing a lot! That just screams big pair. Throw your 55 away.

Yup, there's a line in HoH on this. Something like:
When a shortstack that could've just pushed allin suddenly decides to make a normal raise for a small part of his chips it means he wants action and usually has a big hand.

Couldn't that play also be made with something like AK? It doesn't necessarily have to be a big pocket pair.

Not likely, because AK isn't really an "I have a monster and want action hand," it's more of an "I have a potential monster and want to get it all in and see all 5 cards" hand.

Thanks lol.... I was surprised when I saw that you have 17,000 posts

thanks for the help guys

I was suprised to see you can operate a keyboard given your inability to read simple posting guidlines

If your going to be such a smart ass will you tell me what I did wrong.

Not revealing the opponent's hand is not a big deal since we were all in preflop both times.

I didn't convert the hand, but I'm sure everyone can read FT hand histories by now.

Are you this big of an a**hole everytime someone makes a mistake in this forum? Or did I just catch you at the wrong time of the month?

I apologize if I made a mistake in the format of my post, I just started posting in strat. If I did something wrong tell me what I did wrong instead of being a jerk.

I did not read the entire hand but I saw that you lost


You justification is unrelated to the crime
We dont' show results because it influences how others judge your play


on a good day


Read this
http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...showtopic=87906

I read it, I just didnt feel the opponent's hand mattered which is why I didn't delete it. The question was about whether it was appropriate to shove pre-flop or not. In the future I will remember not to include the opponents hand.

Do you come to the strategy forum to correct people's errors, or do you actually contribute in here? How do you think I played both the hands? If you really don't give a shit then why even post?

I do think you are overvaluing your fives.

In the end, they are just a pair of fives.

First hand -- the BEST you can do with your 5's is 50/50. Some of the time you will be behind a bigger pocket pair. That means you are really relying heavily on fold equity to make this play profitable. This guy has just raised 25% of his stack from UTG, so I don't think this is a spot where you have much FE. I think its a clear fold.

Second hand, ok you are quite short, and you do have some FE as there's no reason to put SB or button on a real hand.

I have a handful of posts where I actually try to help others



to play quasi-mod.

I really don't like to shove small pocket pairs from the blinds into an opened pot because a caller is going to get to see all 5 cards and you have almost no chance of improving your hand. I really wouldn't want to shove into a raised pot, especially with the fishy raise noted above.

I can understand the shove in the second hand if you did it because you were short stacked but I would look for better situations to try and get my chips in the pot.

1) Reading unmodified hand histories is really annoying.
2) Converting them is simple.
3) Results affect responses. They really do.
4) See 3).
5) Actuary should be a mod. Whether he wants to be one or not.