PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($7.70)
MP ($53.05)
Hero ($45.50)
Button ($39.30)
SB ($49.50)
BB ($95.55)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K.
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.5, 2 folds, BB raises to $4.5, MP folds, Hero raises to $12, BB raises to $95.55, Hero ?

Villain fairly solid as far ive seen.. runs 29/12 ~ 20 hands

(Btw I realize that most people don't advocate folding KK EVER... but please elaborate if you advocate calling here)

Call.

I just don't think 20 hands is enough to say he has AA every time. A lot of people will play AA,KK,QQ, and maybe AK and JJ the same way. Especially at 6 max I think you just have to take the cooler if he has AA.

ALWAYS CALL. People need to stop trying to make a superstar laydown!

instacall

and lose to aces

I don't see the point of 4 betting if your not going to go with it. 4 betting to define your hand then folding doesn't make sense to me. Since he's out of pos. I think he's gonna have Ak, QQ here a fair amount of the time. Call then get outflopped by Ak

This is good advice that I need to learn. Folding here is a TOURNAMENT decision. (and usually not the correct one) In cash games you can always rebuy if you get unlucky. Call.

If you were as deep as him, then I think I can possibly find a fold

But you don't even have 100 BB's..I'm stacking off w/ KK preflop under these circumstances everytime..

You're not even 100 deep. I'm putting my money in and sucking out on Aces here all the time, obv.

I hate calling here feeling 90% sure the guy has Aces, but I just don't think based on 20 hands you can fold Kings to this guy.

this is stupid.




this is my rule of thumb, that hopefully somepeople will start to apply to cash games, if you're under 150bb's, its worth a callpreflop, if you're deep, i opt to get away from KK

That's stupid.

You really can't set rules for something like this. Folding KK preflop is incredibly situational, and saying, "If I'm under 150bb's I'm not folding KK preflop to lots of action" is silly. So if you had 151bb's you never stacking off? You can't set rules like that. Obviously in this hand though, folding is silly, we're not even risking a full buy-in.

4 re-raises? I guess I'm a pussy for folding KK, but I'm folding it in this situation, call me a pussy, nit, idiot, donk, I dont care.

This is NOT a fold vs an unknown. 20 hands makes him an unknown.

Pussy
Nit
Idiot
Donk

Seriously, folding here is bad. 29/12 is NOT really solid at all and 20 hands is nothing to base a sample off of.

I'm sure you called and I'm sure he had AA, but you're gonna get shown AK or QQ or JJ or freakin AQo enough to make a shit ton of money here.

Seriously, no looking to fold KK preflop for <100BBs at online 6 max anymore. It's just not profitable to fold the hand barring some ridiculous multiway action preflop and this isn't it.

I like the word NEVER

I can get away from KK on rare occassions. This isn't one of them.

Yesterday I was in a spot like this and he had 74 off suit. Just get it in, his VP$IP is very high too.

I take it back I call lol.

I thought it was 4 raises from 4 different people, but it is only 2 players, my bad I read it wrong lol.

Stick to 2/4 HORSE, sir.

Never... especially if a FCP'er is present

I've actually been running good with low limit Horse sngs on FT.

I might be ready to step back into that 2/4 game in a few years.

People who look for spots to fold KK PF are people who are afraid of getting coolered.

Just take it on the chin and chalk it up to bad luck if he turns over AA, there's no shame at all in losing in that spot.

First off, I didn't put the stats up there as a means of supporting a fold. I think a lot of people have mentioned the sample size, which I already know is too small to support anything. I have it up there strictly as somewhat defining the villain as I've seen so far. I wasn't defining him as solid based on his stats, I was defining him as solid based on what hands I'd seen him play, which obv wasn't much.

And I call here everytime in this situation. I want to be clear that I'm not advocating (even if I second guess myself afterwards) folding here, but simply trying to form a base for when to fold KK preflop. I was hoping someone would put the opponent on a range and likely holdings with percentages just so that I can clear my head about it lol. I appreciate the responses but all I really got was a bunch of never fold KK in this postiion, as I expected lol. I'd appreciate anyone breaking down the math for me just so I can compare to what I roughly did in my head after the hand. Thanks.

Work out the probability that the guy has aces and isn't playing KK AK QQ, work out how much money is in the pot, do equity calculations from those possibilities and match it to the pot odds.

Or more realisticaly, think of any ultra compelling reasons for you to fold, then ignore them all and call.

A spot where you may consider folding KK http://youtube.com/watch?v=m_idnY8czeQ

Yeah I know. I'm more interested in the percentages people would assign to the probability of him having certain hands. I understand how to do the math.

You mentally assign %s at the table based on your read of his play. Folding KK preflop is very situational. The times you do it are the times when you say "there's almost absolutely no other hand aside from AA that he would ever show up with in this situation" and then you fold.

Break your mouse calling so quickly.

I've been playing a lot of $50 6 max lately... people LOVE LOVE LOVE re-popping preflop w/ position, AK, small pairs, etc, you name it.

If he has AA, you're going to suck out 20% of the time anyway. Folding KK in 6-max is a losing play alllllll day long. I would need a pretty ridiculous read on villain to lay this down. Even then, I'd begrudgingly call.