So, I built my BR up by grinding 45sng's and an occasional 90sng....pretty consistent cash rate, and top 3 rate

started playing mtt's instead, looking for the BIG score...approximately same buyin tho, trying to maintain proper BR management....

recently, I have cashed in the last 3 of 5 that I have entered, but usually just barely, and for very small amounts of winnings...even FT'd a couple, but haven't finished top 3 so no big cashes

tonight I went back to a 45sng, and won it (obv)....

help me understand what I need to do differently in the mtt's to go deep, top 3....

thanks.
J

Restealing seems to be the main thing people who are having a lot of success in MTTs are doing, but it just seems to never work out for me

Restealing late in tourneys is a must. Well, if you have a mid-range stack it is.

Learn to really play position when ante's kick in, so you have extra chips when you do get in those 'race' situations. Being able to take the blow determines how badly losing a race will affect your stack.

the sample size you're describing is obviously tiny. thinking about making drastic changes to your game based on the results of 5 mtts is lolcats. post specific hands you felt were particularly difficult and we'll see if we can help.

Yea i'm having such a hard time with these aswell, at low stakes at least. It's so tough, because people won't lay down anything. People limp in EP with probably a small PP or 2 weak face cards, 1 or 2 limp behind. Then i get a decent hand or not a decent hand on the button and i raise big and they call anyway, or go allin with a hand like 77 ....

But lately i'm doing much better and getting the hand of it. And it's easy to resteal with hands like AKs, but i suppose that's not much of a resteal, but more a valueraise.

You've got to realise that you could be the best MTT player in the world yet still go months without making a big score for a start, look at someone succesful's OPR ranking look at how many tournies they play that they never get close in.

So yeh, get luckier.

thanks guys...

I guess it came across like I'm asking for the "easy button for a quick MTT win"...which I am not...

Just some thoughts on playing differently to get deeper...

no high expectations, but thanks for the input...

J

edit: one of comments was on "restealing"...I've found that by the time we get down to the money or just in, chipstacks are so low that there isn't a whole lot of room for restealing without committing all the chips... it will go min raise, reraise (steal) and then you are either allin or folding... or fold around, min raise(steal) and again, a reraise is a allin committment....

will look for opportunities to resteal tho, thanks for the ideas

Highly depends on which tourney you play. Indeed the ones with 1500 starting stacks and 15 min levels really don't have much room for fancy players later on, unless you're one of the big stacks. Sometimes at the last 2-3 tables though i find you get a little bit more room to play around. Not much though.

This is why i try to play the tourneys with 3000 starting stacks and the rebuys. Especially the rebuys have huge stacks, later on aswell, but the 3k starting stack tourneys give you a little bit more room to play aswell. I usually play the 5k Gtd at 7 PM(GMT+1) and the 3$+R at 8:15 PM(GMT+1), but there are enough others like these later on for US players aswell.

Also don't steal with just a minraise. Make it 2.5x the BB at least. Otherwise people will call with drawing hands/mediocre hands way too often due to the huuuge pot odds if you're in the BB/SB.

The resteal late in mtts is an all in move typically FYI...You just have to realize the situations where you have enough fold equity to make it profitable

IMO, sng's are much easier for a skilled player to win, because you can take advantage of the entire table once you have established an image, and have reads on your opponents.

as blinds increase, your play wil become more aggressive, since the table is short handed. If you're a better player than your competition you will be able to exploit them and pick apart all their flaws to win more often.

in a tourney, as you get deep, you need other ways to pick up chips vs your opponents, and even then, you arent guaranteed a deep finish or a win.
stealing, restealing, squeeze plays, stop and go, etc.. are all good ways, but a lot of luck is needed.

the top tourney players you see at FCP have some of the best ROI's going, and they still go tourney after tourney without final tables, or cashes for that matter.

My advice is just read strat, study good players, and play some yourself.

sometimes f your resteal fails, you might still only be a coinflip.

and you neeeed to win flips to win tourneys.

watch annette_15's video of her playing blind. she wins a all in, where she is a 30/70 underdog, and she wins a few other situations where she is a 40/60 dog

Thats a good video to watch

ahh must be nice to be a super user though...shes such a friggin luckbox

They're definitely easier to win as you pretty much always have less players, if you're talking about ROI% though, i think you're wrong. The top tourney players earn way more per MTT than SNG players do per SNG.

I think it helps a lot to watch pro tourney players at work for an hour or so to see how they change gears as the tournament progresses.

where can i find that video?