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simo_8ball
Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $98.50
UTG+1: $218.85
CO: $97.65
Hero: $101.80
SB: $270
BB: $57.30

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 8 icon_suit_diamond.gif T icon_suit_club.gif J icon_suit_diamond.gif T icon_suit_diamond.gif
3 folds, Hero raises to $3.5, SB calls, BB raises to $14, Hero calls $10.5 (pot was $21), SB calls.

Flop: 6 icon_suit_club.gif 2 icon_suit_diamond.gif 7 icon_suit_diamond.gif ($42, 3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $35, Hero raises all-in $87.8, SB folds, BB calls all-in $8.3.


Fold pre? Fold flop?
bdc30
I'll see the flop here for a 3-bet, especially with a third player in there. I don't think this flop has done much for our hand, but the pot's pretty big. I don't mind the way you played it. Hopefully our diamonds are live.
fitzinabox
i hate the way u played it wink.gif
BudBundy
QUOTE (fitzinabox @ Monday, December 10th, 2007, 7:39 PM) *
i hate the way u played it wink.gif


lol


******

Preflop is standard.

I fold flop but pushing can't be awful.
fitzinabox
I think it is time to announce i was the bb in this hand, lol. No big deal Simo, i hope you find 8oggo8 and bust him!
simo_8ball
QUOTE (BudBundy @ Tuesday, December 11th, 2007, 12:14 AM) *
I fold flop but pushing can't be awful.

Are you sure? How about if villain is fitzinabox, who holds KK with the K high flush draw?

It's ok though, because I obv hit the straight.

The funniest/worst/most ironic thing about this, is that Fitz told me there was a good $100pl game on stars that I should get in, and then shipped me $200 so I could buy in to it.

The point is, I'm getting 2/1 to call the shove (ok, to put villain allin, same difference). Against a range of AAxx I'm ~44%.

Against a range of AA** w/Ad, and KKBB w/Kd I'm 40%:
http://www.propokertools.com/simulator/sim...amp;h4=&h5=

The only way I can fold here is if villain has a higher pair AND a higher flush draw. Plus, given that I have 3 highish diamonds, it's less likely villain has suited diamonds.

Can you give a range where I'm worse than 35%?
BudBundy
Well looking at your cards it is hard to put fitz on a hand like T987 or JT98. 3-bet preflop leaves us the overpairs. Is fitz going all in on flop with and overpair no draws? Or with an OESD on a FD flop?

I don't know i don't have any reads on fitz. I think there is a good chance that fitz is pushing with a real hand here seeing you left to act and the chance of SB going for a check-raise.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (BudBundy @ Tuesday, December 11th, 2007, 12:36 AM) *
Well looking at your cards it is hard to put fitz on a hand like T987 or JT98. 3-bet preflop leaves us the overpairs. Is fitz going all in on flop with and overpair no draws? Or with an OESD on a FD flop?

I don't know i don't have any reads on fitz. I think there is a good chance that fitz is pushing with a real hand here seeing you left to act and the chance of SB going for a check-raise.

How do you play AAJ3 rainbow in this hand? I would imagine you would repot preflop and shove the flop.
krup24
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Monday, December 10th, 2007, 7:24 PM) *
Are you sure? How about if villain is fitzinabox, who holds KK with the K high flush draw?


well if its fitz i fold pf icon_drool.gif
BudBundy
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Tuesday, December 11th, 2007, 4:43 AM) *
How do you play AAJ3 rainbow in this hand? I would imagine you would repot preflop and shove the flop.


I am not repotting with AAJ3 rainbow and pushing on a draw heavy flop unless i am steaming.
ROBBBIGG
fold preflop
simo_8ball
QUOTE (ROBBBIGG @ Wednesday, December 12th, 2007, 9:06 AM) *
fold preflop

Open fold on the button?

Or fold to the reraise?
simo_8ball
QUOTE (BudBundy @ Tuesday, December 11th, 2007, 12:08 PM) *
I am not repotting with AAJ3 rainbow and pushing on a draw heavy flop unless i am steaming.

When you can get 1/4 of your stack in preflop against someone potting the button with a HUGE range (probably around 40% of the hands folded to me there at a guess), and SB who is playing 80/20, you have a VERY easy shove there, and given that you've reraised preflop the flop shove is absolutely mandatory.
ROBBBIGG
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Wednesday, December 12th, 2007, 1:51 AM) *
Open fold on the button?

Or fold to the reraise?


fold to reraise obv. hand is too good to not bet, let alone open fold.

edit: I think the fold or the call PF is marginal either way. I definitely fold on the flop because we're drawing to the non nuts with at least one of our outs dead. A non diamond 9 gives us the nuts, but that's not the best draw to get all our money in. Maybe I'm too weak/tight (weak/terrible), but I'd rather have a stronger draw.
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