This is great news for Niedermayer fantasy owners....


http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=224451&hubname=

what about Teemu?

He's back but what type of impact will he have? Even if he's in "game shape" I say it takes him up to a month to get back to playing the game at full speed and capacity.

I wonder who they'll get rid of to make cap room.

Beauhemin for Recchi plz.

Hmmm.... when I said back in September that Neidermeyer would be back but not until december, I think I got ridiculed.....

I don't know by who. It was like the worst kept secret in the NHL.

It was probably some dude who thinks all media types from the Toronto area are buffoons.

my second fantasy team's roster is now (8 teams)


Daniel Briere

Vincent Lecavalier

Milan Hejduk

Jonathan Cheechoo

Paul Stastny

Brendan Shanahan

Lubomir Visnovsky

Bryan McCabe

Sergei Zubov

Scott Niedermayer

Chris Neil

Ryan Getzlaf

Brian Rolston


Roberto Luongo

Ryan Miller

Evgeni Nabokov


I'm such a dork.

agree. I thought that was an obvious one. i took him in any pool i could.

any chance Schneider is the one that gets moved? I heard today on Hockeycentral they might have to clear up to 5mill? that seems high.

Yes this is why I picked him up for $6 in the AHL..Its a steal as if he was playing he go for around $15-$18...

I went from no defence to pretty good by adding McCabe and Niedermayer now..

Burke said he should be in a game within a week...

For this year they have to make 0 moves w.r.t. cap space -- they'll want to move someone for next year (esp if they want to resign Perry at some point though).

Actually you are mistaken here....Even though they are under the cap for this year, the Ducks DO have to make a room as with Niedermayer they are over the cap for NEXT year..Even though Niedermayer likely will not play next year, the Ducks have to move out about $3million in salary...

In reality they will still have money to sign Perry etc next year as Niedermayer will retire, however before he comes off suspension they need to make a move..

Eklund goes into detail.....http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=11585

So what the Ducks would like to do is trade someone with a high salary for next year ie Schneider for a high priced player that is a UFA next year ie Sundin

Not suggesting that would be the trade as it wouldnt fit for the Leafs, but just making an example...

Marchant and Schnieder seem the most obvious ones. I would move either of them for nothing, ie: a 5th round pick or something.

Beauchemin has been talked about but he makes next to nothing so in any move involving him the Ducks would likely get the other team to take one of the aforementioned Marchant or Schnieder and in return receive a draft pick/prospect that is reasonable for moving a good young defenseman.

I would prefer to keep Sean O'Donnell as he also makes next to nothing and is a low maintainence, hard nosed, defensive defenseman who plays well with Pronger.

I'm hoping Burke can "convince" Phoenix to take Marchant for free....seeing as how Anaheim already gave them indirect compensation.

If the Ducks didn't sign Bertuzzi this wouldn't be a problem.

Read what I wrote silly person.

Yeah, but according to some rule, they do need to have that cap space cleared this season, for next.

Well you can't go over by 10% of the cap I think? Anyways they are at either 46 or 52 mill next year (including Nieder).

So yes, they need to clear salary for next year

sorry misunderstood what you wrote...How is Burke gonna make these deals where every other GM knows he HAS to make a deal...I am sure there are a lot of gms that would like to stick it to Burke..

I'm fairly sure any decent GM would put all their energy into doing what was best for their own team, rather than try to screw over another GM. If you can kill 2 birds with one stone, so be it, but I'm sure it wouldn't factor into the initial decision. Of course, if Lowe was in this position...it would be tempting.

yes, but you do realize they have to clear it NOW before they unsuspend Niedermayer? Thats the point Serge was making.

Though according to nhlnumbers.com they have 6.2 mill cap space... and they would have to dump 1 player's salary for the roster spot.

Cap space is not going to be an issue for this season. The terminology of the CBA is pretty extensive, but suffice it to say that there will be no cap issue for this season. Burke's challenge will be filling out his roster for next season. Burke's out on this one is simple: the terminology that applies to acquiring a player that puts you over the cap is very specific. HOWEVER.... Burke didn't acquire Neidermeyer: he was already under contract, albeit suspended. Which explains the re-signing of Getzlaf. If Burke had waited until Neidermeyer was activated, then he would not have been allowed to re-sign Getzlaf.......

Thank You.

ps: Dec 5th Scott Niedermayer Suspension Over

so they dont have to open up room before they activate him? Hmm, im confused.
I read again on TSN today that they have to clear some of NEXT YEARS cap space before they activate him.
And I thought he was still suspended and couldnt be activated til they do.

strange this cap business!

I agree this cap sucks. Why don't they just get rid of it.
I know it would make Serge happy.

He's unsuspended according to sportsnet.ca; apparently either they, or TSN, have it wrong.

He is unsuspended. There is no cap issue for this season. There will be for next season, but this particular case doesn't seem to be affected by the tagging rule (dont ask, it would take twenty pages of forum space to explain!!!!!).

ok thanks Gruven.

you think Burke still makes a move anyway, now/soon?

also, i found it interesting the article I read about Niedermayer not being able to be activated until moves are made is actually by AP, and being used on both sporstnet and TSN. Makes me wonder how many standard AP stories they use for hockey....and how often there is some misinformation. Hard to believe these sites use AP for their hockey stories.

Burke has been quoted as saying he thinks Niedermayer will be back for this season only, which means that 6.7 mill might not be a consideration for next year. However, I'm not sure how the timing of getting him off of the books versus signing Perry as a RFA plays out? That would be a swift kick to the pants... loose Perry on an offer sheet and Niedermayer quits again (and thus have the cap space!).



I'm sure there are a tons of loopholes in the CBA for savy GMs to navigate around!

I have not seen this anywhere as of yet. Are you saying that with Niedermayer's return they are not forced to shed even 1M in salary?

If you see Bob MacKenzie's latest blog, he says that they don't have to do anything for this year, contrary to what they reported yesterday.

But it's not zero

"In order to get Niedermayer in the lineup now, they now need to lose only $880,000 in salary for next season. So they can trade any player and as long as they come out $880,000 to the good for next season, they're good to go with Niedermayer in the lineup."

They still are forced into some kind of deal before Niedermayer can hit the ice.

Believe me, this is so complicated that there are few people that fully understand it. I definately don't. But by the info provided to me, the Ducks have no issues for this year, and only issues for next year which DON'T have to be dealt with until the end of the season...

So from what Chris is saying, the original reports are wrong and the Ducks DONT HAVE TO make a move to get Niedermayer in the lineup??

Its to complicated is right, no wonder every team has a capologist.

Those issues don't prevent them from re-signing Perry this season provided they are under the cap at the requisite point in time before next season correct? ie) if they re-sign Perry this year and Niedermayer retires this offseason, they are good?

That's a different matter... I don't believe they can re-sign perry until Neidermeyer retires officially (or gets suspended again!). Again, that's the tagging clause.....

http://www.anaheimducks.info/blogs/playing...ects-the-ducks/

Definitive? answer on this? Seems like they need to clear 900k at this point.

That's the blog of some guy on hockeysfuture...but yeah it seems about right.

I was hoping he would be back tonight as I put him in my lineup...No other option anyways so no big loss...

Come on Burke...Make the deal

any update on possible first game?

I heard he is ready to play and he practised with the team....There were rumours that he would play tonight, but unless Burke makes a move he cant be activated....

did you dress him tonight Serge?
i didnt have enough D anyway, so i put him in the faint hope he plays, but im guessing weekend at earliest.

Likewise I did the same thing....No other options for me anyways