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cubsfan44
anyone play this differently

villian is 26/0 through only 40 hands

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($56.70)
BB ($47.50)
UTG ($25.20)
MP ($49)
Hero ($56.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, J.
UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.5, SB calls $2.25, 1 fold, UTG folds, MP folds.

Flop: ($6.50) 9, 3, J (2 players)
SB bets $1.5, Hero raises to $6, SB calls $4.50.

Turn: ($18.50) Q (2 players)
SB bets $1.5, Hero raises to $15, SB calls $13.50.

River: ($48.50) 8 (2 players)
SB bets $33.2 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $15.30

Results in white below:
SB doesn't show.
Outcome: SB wins $81.70.
NoBBiR
I might raise a little bit more on the turn and just commit myself. If he has you beat at that point, you still have a bunch of outs.
No_Neck
I am really tempted to just call the turn and see what happens on the river. If we bet big here what is going to call us that we can beat?? I am not sure though. Lets see what everyone else thinks.
cubsfan44
QUOTE (No_Neck @ Wednesday, December 5th, 2007, 3:19 PM) *
I am really tempted to just call the turn and see what happens on the river. If we bet big here what is going to call us that we can beat?? I am not sure though. Lets see what everyone else thinks.

I actually got a feeling villian has Q10 with a heart. Those tiny bets are almost always draws esp. from a bad player. What does everyone else put villian on? BTW it was an insta shove on the river
No_Neck
QUOTE (cubsfan44 @ Wednesday, December 5th, 2007, 6:32 PM) *
I actually got a feeling villian has Q10 with a heart. Those tiny bets are almost always draws esp. from a bad player. What does everyone else put villian on? BTW it was an insta shove on the river



see I think a Q makes up a large portion of his flop calling range, sooo you are behind and need to hit a flush, do take the basically free card to see a river.

Just my .02
Ch'T-Boner
I think I would've folded already on the turn... There, it's pretty sure a that point he's got at least a Straight...

There were too many hands that could beat you... he's already kind of value bettind right after the flop... As you raised him on the flop, he tried to make as much money as he could, on every street...

Just a question, what do you make if he checks on the river?
Ricer98
QUOTE (Ch @ Wednesday, December 5th, 2007, 4:29 PM) *
I think I would've folded already on the turn... There, it's pretty sure a that point he's got at least a Straight...


Folding the turn would be pretty close to the worst play ever, were getting over 13-1 and have 8 outs that guarantee us the nuts.

I probably flat call the turn as well. We raised him on the flop and he didn't go anywhere that leaves us with no reason to suspect the turn would be any different. We will have position on the river if we hit and can make a value bet/raise depending on his actions.
Ch'T-Boner
QUOTE (Ricer98 @ Thursday, December 6th, 2007, 1:37 AM) *
Folding the turn would be pretty close to the worst play ever, were getting over 13-1 and have 8 outs that guarantee us the nuts.


Yeah, you're right, I would've make a mistake here...

Flat call on the turn seems to be the best move in this case.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (cubsfan44 @ Wednesday, December 5th, 2007, 1:49 PM) *
anyone play this differently


I probably don't play it much different.
I might slow down on the turn a little.
I'm folding that river, too.
NoBBiR
QUOTE (Ch @ Wednesday, December 5th, 2007, 4:29 PM) *
I think I would've folded already on the turn... There, it's pretty sure a that point he's got at least a Straight...

There were too many hands that could beat you... he's already kind of value bettind right after the flop... As you raised him on the flop, he tried to make as much money as he could, on every street...

Just a question, what do you make if he checks on the river?



QUOTE (Ricer98 @ Wednesday, December 5th, 2007, 4:37 PM) *
Folding the turn would be pretty close to the worst play ever, were getting over 13-1 and have 8 outs that guarantee us the nuts.

I probably flat call the turn as well. We raised him on the flop and he didn't go anywhere that leaves us with no reason to suspect the turn would be any different. We will have position on the river if we hit and can make a value bet/raise depending on his actions.


Darn you beat me too it.
Royal_Tour
he called your flop raise, then led out again, with some silly stupid small bet. its obvious he has a hand.

so with that action, I almost always slow down on the turn. unless its another J, or an A.
Royal_Tour
QUOTE (cubsfan44 @ Wednesday, December 5th, 2007, 3:32 PM) *
I actually got a feeling villian has Q10 with a heart. Those tiny bets are almost always draws esp. from a bad player. What does everyone else put villian on? BTW it was an insta shove on the river


i'm positive this is either 1 of two hands that beat us.

he flopped a set. and plays bad.

or he flopped a flush and plays bad. because of the pf call from OOP, i'm leaning more towards a small PP that hit his set.
he's scared to bet big and committ himself to a possible fluhs board, but he isnt going to fold since hes putting u on a big pair with a big heart, and praying the hearts miss and that u wont be able to fold a over pair.
pdr87
QUOTE (Ch @ Thursday, December 6th, 2007, 1:29 AM) *
I think I would've folded already on the turn... There, it's pretty sure a that point he's got at least a Straight...

There were too many hands that could beat you... he's already kind of value bettind right after the flop... As you raised him on the flop, he tried to make as much money as he could, on every street...

Just a question, what do you make if he checks on the river?


Folding the flop is a cardinal sin. If he checks the river, checking behind is the best option 100% of the time in this hand.
psujohn
QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Wednesday, December 5th, 2007, 10:47 PM) *
i'm positive this is either 1 of two hands that beat us.

he flopped a set. and plays bad.

or he flopped a flush and plays bad.
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